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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2008/07/28/cards-sellers/comment-page-1/#comment-1610</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ludwick should provide a relatively cheap .900 OPS for the next couple of years--not a guy to trade, at all. Mather should be a great #4 outfielder next year, with Skip a terrific #5. (Starters Lud, Raz, and Ank, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ludwick should provide a relatively cheap .900 OPS for the next couple of years&#8211;not a guy to trade, at all. Mather should be a great #4 outfielder next year, with Skip a terrific #5. (Starters Lud, Raz, and Ank, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Magoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Magoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it Casey.

How about Ludwick and David Freese to Arizona for Max Sherzer</description>
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<p>How about Ludwick and David Freese to Arizona for Max Sherzer</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Guys-
I&#039;m all for trading Ludwick(aslong as we get a very good prospect) simply because I would love to see Joe Mather get 2 months of everyday time in LF. Rasmus is in the lineup next year and Stavinoa, Jay and possibly Jones knocking on the major league door behind Ankiel, Schumaker, Rasmus and Mather. We can afford to move Ludwick and still contend. That&#039;s what I call having your cake and eating it too!
What do you all think?
Casey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Guys-<br />
I&#8217;m all for trading Ludwick(aslong as we get a very good prospect) simply because I would love to see Joe Mather get 2 months of everyday time in LF. Rasmus is in the lineup next year and Stavinoa, Jay and possibly Jones knocking on the major league door behind Ankiel, Schumaker, Rasmus and Mather. We can afford to move Ludwick and still contend. That&#8217;s what I call having your cake and eating it too!<br />
What do you all think?<br />
Casey</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2008/07/28/cards-sellers/comment-page-1/#comment-1593</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1)  Screw PECOTA. Didn&#039;t the brilliant PECOTA system pick the Cards to finish 15-20 games under .500? I&#039;d give almost no weight to PECOTA, when it comes to *this* Cards team *this* season.

(2) As VEB pointed out, this Redbird squad has earned the right to fight for the playoffs

(3) Despite the seeming fixation on B. Fuentes, he is far fron the only lefty bullpen arm available. A guy like Ron Mahay--or better, Scott Downs--should be just as good as Colorado&#039;s all-star, and *much* more reasonably priced. Or heck, the Cards could add a RHP to the pen instead. After all, other than McClellan &amp; Springer, who elicits confidence from Cards fans when he takes the bump?

(4) The Cards could even trade for a mediocre starter, allowing them to shift, say, Wellemeyer to the less taxing relief role. (Too many 5-inning outings for TW lately.)

It&#039;s fine with me if Schu or Duncan or Brad Thompson are traded to an A.L. contender, since they are eminently replaceable--Mather would in fact provide a likely *improvement* over Skip/Dunc at this point. So much more power than the former, better defense/baserunning than the latter. 

To Card management, I&#039;d say: &quot;Don&#039;t overpay for Fuentes...but you MUST get a solid bullpen arm. Preferably a southpaw (TLR has the obsessive need for multiple pen lefties) who will be with the team beyond 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1)  Screw PECOTA. Didn&#8217;t the brilliant PECOTA system pick the Cards to finish 15-20 games under .500? I&#8217;d give almost no weight to PECOTA, when it comes to *this* Cards team *this* season.</p>
<p>(2) As VEB pointed out, this Redbird squad has earned the right to fight for the playoffs</p>
<p>(3) Despite the seeming fixation on B. Fuentes, he is far fron the only lefty bullpen arm available. A guy like Ron Mahay&#8211;or better, Scott Downs&#8211;should be just as good as Colorado&#8217;s all-star, and *much* more reasonably priced. Or heck, the Cards could add a RHP to the pen instead. After all, other than McClellan &amp; Springer, who elicits confidence from Cards fans when he takes the bump?</p>
<p>(4) The Cards could even trade for a mediocre starter, allowing them to shift, say, Wellemeyer to the less taxing relief role. (Too many 5-inning outings for TW lately.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine with me if Schu or Duncan or Brad Thompson are traded to an A.L. contender, since they are eminently replaceable&#8211;Mather would in fact provide a likely *improvement* over Skip/Dunc at this point. So much more power than the former, better defense/baserunning than the latter. </p>
<p>To Card management, I&#8217;d say: &#8220;Don&#8217;t overpay for Fuentes&#8230;but you MUST get a solid bullpen arm. Preferably a southpaw (TLR has the obsessive need for multiple pen lefties) who will be with the team beyond 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: HL is not dirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>HL is not dirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you mean 2007, because if Larry said we should be sellers in 2006 (which he did.  He and I argued one day about whether the team could still make the playoffs), he was wrong in believing so.

Anyways, I&#039;m sure you meant 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean 2007, because if Larry said we should be sellers in 2006 (which he did.  He and I argued one day about whether the team could still make the playoffs), he was wrong in believing so.</p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;m sure you meant 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I always feel like I&#039;m at odds with the majority of fans? For example, at this same juncture in 2006, I believe that Larry was advocating that they cash in all their chips -- even mentioning trading Reyes, if I recall correctly -- and go for it. I, on the other hand, preferred selling and continuing to build the depleted farm system, because I feared that we&#039;d spend the next few years in the cellar if we didn&#039;t.

Even though they never made any major trades that year, Larry was obviously right -- including the suggestion of trading Reyes, who I know he liked --  and I was wrong. But I like this year&#039;s team, and they&#039;re in the thick of it, despite only having a small chance of actually making the playoffs.

It probably doesn&#039;t matter what they do, however, since it&#039;s not likely that they&#039;ll make the playoffs, or give up too much, if they choose to sell. Funny thing is that I&#039;d hoped that they would become sellers throughout most of this season, but my opinion has changed as deciding factors have been more clear. The two most important factors are that a) they are still in the race and b) I&#039;m skeptical that they&#039;ll receive much in return for anyone other then Rasmus or Garcia, whom most of believe are untouchable.

I very well may be wrong, but I&#039;m skeptical that trading either Lohse or Ludwick would bring a great haul in return. If they would, then I&#039;ll climb aboard the sellers express, but I&#039;m not for selling to receive anything less then prospects with star potentials. If they don&#039;t sell, then I won&#039;t mind if they dig into the farm for collateral, as long as it&#039;s the right move(s). Currently we&#039;re loaded with outfielders, the rotation seems pretty well setup for the future, and we have a finicky pitching coach, so if the right deal came along for Rasmus, Garcia or Todd, then that&#039;s okay with me. All I ask is that they don&#039;t let any of these guys go for rentals that have no future with the organization, since it&#039;s unlikely that they&#039;ll receive anyone who will vastly upgrade the current team, with the possible exception of a dependable closer.

Though young, and lacking the composure that comes with experience at times, this team is pretty solid and doesn&#039;t need much to push it to the next level. We really need to address the glut in the oufield while we have value there, which can happen whether we&#039;re buyers or sellers. However it goes down, I think we can all agree that we don&#039;t want to mortgage the future, but they can do that with either route -- even with a deal that includes Rasmus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I always feel like I&#8217;m at odds with the majority of fans? For example, at this same juncture in 2006, I believe that Larry was advocating that they cash in all their chips &#8212; even mentioning trading Reyes, if I recall correctly &#8212; and go for it. I, on the other hand, preferred selling and continuing to build the depleted farm system, because I feared that we&#8217;d spend the next few years in the cellar if we didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Even though they never made any major trades that year, Larry was obviously right &#8212; including the suggestion of trading Reyes, who I know he liked &#8212;  and I was wrong. But I like this year&#8217;s team, and they&#8217;re in the thick of it, despite only having a small chance of actually making the playoffs.</p>
<p>It probably doesn&#8217;t matter what they do, however, since it&#8217;s not likely that they&#8217;ll make the playoffs, or give up too much, if they choose to sell. Funny thing is that I&#8217;d hoped that they would become sellers throughout most of this season, but my opinion has changed as deciding factors have been more clear. The two most important factors are that a) they are still in the race and b) I&#8217;m skeptical that they&#8217;ll receive much in return for anyone other then Rasmus or Garcia, whom most of believe are untouchable.</p>
<p>I very well may be wrong, but I&#8217;m skeptical that trading either Lohse or Ludwick would bring a great haul in return. If they would, then I&#8217;ll climb aboard the sellers express, but I&#8217;m not for selling to receive anything less then prospects with star potentials. If they don&#8217;t sell, then I won&#8217;t mind if they dig into the farm for collateral, as long as it&#8217;s the right move(s). Currently we&#8217;re loaded with outfielders, the rotation seems pretty well setup for the future, and we have a finicky pitching coach, so if the right deal came along for Rasmus, Garcia or Todd, then that&#8217;s okay with me. All I ask is that they don&#8217;t let any of these guys go for rentals that have no future with the organization, since it&#8217;s unlikely that they&#8217;ll receive anyone who will vastly upgrade the current team, with the possible exception of a dependable closer.</p>
<p>Though young, and lacking the composure that comes with experience at times, this team is pretty solid and doesn&#8217;t need much to push it to the next level. We really need to address the glut in the oufield while we have value there, which can happen whether we&#8217;re buyers or sellers. However it goes down, I think we can all agree that we don&#8217;t want to mortgage the future, but they can do that with either route &#8212; even with a deal that includes Rasmus.</p>
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		<title>By: TaiwanGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TaiwanGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about glaus? he&#039;s been great, but if we are considering turning to selling mode, he would be the best chip. he has been one of the best 3b in the NL this year and would definitely be worth a top prospect to a team that is in the hunt. 

i wouldnt do it just to be dumping salary (glaus is worth his paycheck and will be next year if we exercise his $11 million option), but if we are looking towards the future, we have some depth at 3b with craig, freese, and wallace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about glaus? he&#8217;s been great, but if we are considering turning to selling mode, he would be the best chip. he has been one of the best 3b in the NL this year and would definitely be worth a top prospect to a team that is in the hunt. </p>
<p>i wouldnt do it just to be dumping salary (glaus is worth his paycheck and will be next year if we exercise his $11 million option), but if we are looking towards the future, we have some depth at 3b with craig, freese, and wallace.</p>
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		<title>By: fewgoodcards</title>
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		<dc:creator>fewgoodcards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i saw the franklin backyard baseball ad on the side, and at first i thought it said franklin backyard blown save.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i saw the franklin backyard baseball ad on the side, and at first i thought it said franklin backyard blown save.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This quote from the Baseball Prospectus 2008 yearbook strikes me as topical: &quot;&quot;It&#039;s still a slender bet, but as the Cubs and Brewers are the teams to beat in the Central ... the Cardinals could still thrust themselves into contention midseason should they be able to hover around .500 in the early going.&quot;

Suppose exactly that had happened: an even record early, with everybody healthy, and Carp returning soon after the All-Star break.  The consensus, if you believe BP, would be that the team might think about being buyers rather than sellers, because they&#039;d still be in sight of a playoff spot.  So with a BETTER result early, and WORSE injury problems than BP anticipated -- yet with the prospect of a couple of big-name competitors coming off the DL shortly -- why on earth behave more pessimistically?  I don&#039;t see becoming a seller at all.  PHE, I agree with you: make smart moves, not hyperactive or fatalistic ones, and try for the best of both worlds.  The team is good enough that it&#039;s achievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This quote from the Baseball Prospectus 2008 yearbook strikes me as topical: &#8220;&#8221;It&#8217;s still a slender bet, but as the Cubs and Brewers are the teams to beat in the Central &#8230; the Cardinals could still thrust themselves into contention midseason should they be able to hover around .500 in the early going.&#8221;</p>
<p>Suppose exactly that had happened: an even record early, with everybody healthy, and Carp returning soon after the All-Star break.  The consensus, if you believe BP, would be that the team might think about being buyers rather than sellers, because they&#8217;d still be in sight of a playoff spot.  So with a BETTER result early, and WORSE injury problems than BP anticipated &#8212; yet with the prospect of a couple of big-name competitors coming off the DL shortly &#8212; why on earth behave more pessimistically?  I don&#8217;t see becoming a seller at all.  PHE, I agree with you: make smart moves, not hyperactive or fatalistic ones, and try for the best of both worlds.  The team is good enough that it&#8217;s achievable.</p>
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		<title>By: sluhser</title>
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		<dc:creator>sluhser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking Lohse for Brignac.</description>
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