Comments on: The official FR trade deadline discussion thread

By: Pitchers Hit Eighth

Pitchers Hit Eighth — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:52:09 +0000

I wouldn’t rule out a waiver trade – that being said, the Cards are simply staying true to their organizational philosophy before the season.

Sure, I understand the premise of competing when you have the opportunity, but the fact remains that this team wasn’t expected to really compete for a playoff spot – so why not see if the simple return of Carpenter and Wainwright is enough to put a scrappy bunch over the top?

All indications are that prices on relievers was ridiculously high – and I wouldn’t be surprised if it stayed that way going forward for a few years (a good ‘pen arm can be hard to find) – so if the price was Anderson or Rasmus, etc – I’m glad they stayed put.

I believe that Anderson is bound to be traded sooner or later – but a LOOGY for this season was not the right place to make that move.

By: southeast redbird

southeast redbird — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:22:26 +0000

A bit of some inside info, not that Cards didn’t have anything to trade, they didn’t want to.
With Albert kind of almost not being himself lately, questions about pitchers returning in what form (effective or nt effective),there was thoughts that trades may be for no reason, and who to trade and what for what position.
So everyone is safe for now. I am glad that they moved Herron back to Palm Beach.

By: picklefork

picklefork — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:07:37 +0000

Its called big picture and value.

Tyler Herron has more value in trade to this org then a 2 month rental of a 38 yr old LHP reliever.

I am quite surprised there are people around who are even considering this an option.

By: HL is not dirty

HL is not dirty — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:56:04 +0000

Herron might not pitch 25 innings, but he has a bunch more value then a 38 yr old LHP situational pitcher who is a free agent in 2 months.

Can you explain this? If all Arthur Rhodes has to do is be reliable for the next 2 months to get the Cardinals to the post-season, how is that less valuable than Herron spending the rest of his career in the minor leagues?

By: picklefork

picklefork — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:53:58 +0000

Herron might not pitch 25 innings, but he has a bunch more value then a 38 yr old LHP situational pitcher who is a free agent in 2 months.

Rhodes was so bad last year, most thought he was done and his .195 avg against vs LH’s is solid

But Villone and McClellan have held LH’s to a lower avg…..albeit just .01 pt lower.

Tyler Herron has more value to this org then 25 IP from LH reliever

By: Brandon

Brandon — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:49:21 +0000

Manny to the Dodgers, Bay to the Red Sox, Chris Duncan to the …. yah, i wish

By: themop10

themop10 — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:41:05 +0000

Tyler Herron might never pitch 25 innings in the major leagues, another solid arm in the pen could help us get into the playoffs. Once your in the playoffs anyone can win the WS. So why bank on the future of Tyler Herron which this year doesn’t look that great when you could pick up a piece that will put you in the playoffs.

Now, that being said I wouldn’t trade Garcia, Rasmus, Perez for a situational lefty because those guys really do have a shot at contributing for 5-7 years on the big league level but we have no clue on Herron.

The only OF I can see us trading is Shumaker. If skip can improve himself to hit even .250 with a .310-.330 OBP against lefties he would be a solid leadoff guy. But we can trade him now since we will have Rasmus next season and Jay/Jones the season after that.

I think our biggest pieces to trade if we want to do that would be Lohse and Shumaker and possibly Looper. But trading either one of those pitchers pisses off 97% of the fan base and we essentially give up on this season.

I see us standing pat and picking up a LOOGY from the independent league in our only move.

By: picklefork

picklefork — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:10:20 +0000

If Arthur Rhodes cost you Gaby Hernandez…then I have no problem with them standing pat.

There wasnt a legit, give the ball in the 9th and things are fine type of closer available.

So if you make a trade its for a Situational LHP that will net your 20 to 25IP the rest of the year.

I am not trading Tyler Herron (Gabby Hernandez Comp) for 25 innings of LH relief.

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:07:24 +0000

Why? The whole ‘rebuild while contending’ thing seems to be working out exactly as planned.

By: Jeremy Dahlstrom

Jeremy Dahlstrom — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:59:52 +0000

And the worst move of all may just be standing pat. I think the club needs to make a decision to either be buyers or sellers here. You have tradeable pieces in Lohse, and maybe an outfielder that could bring back something to build on for next year. Or if you think you are still in it for this year why – you’ve got to get another arm. You can’t wait for Wainwright to come back and shuffle your staff then. If the Cards bullpen goes through another rough stretch they could find themselves 6-8 games back in antoher week.