My impressions on what I saw from the position players in Memphis. With a roster decimated by injuries to Colby Rasmus, Shane Robinson and the departure of Brian Barden, there was only one player that looked like a major leaguer.

Tyler Greene: He never stood out at the plate but he looked smooth defensively with a nice arm for a SS.  I didn’t see the raw power that he displayed at Springfield.  Might have a future as a backup shortstop but the bat looks questionable.  If you want an MLB comp, think Brendan Ryan with more pop.

Brendan Ryan: Speaking of which, I’m not sure there’s a single player that I feel more wrong about one year later than Ryan.  He looked lost at the plate the whole weekend swinging as slop off the plate and rolling over on pitches for weak groundouts.  If the Cardinals are willing to go with Izturis-like offense, they might as well go with Brendan Ryan next year but he looks different than what I saw last year.  I not sure if he just had an extended hot stretch but I vastly overestimated his ability with the bat.  He also had a very bad mental lapse where the third strike got away from the catcher at the end of Saturday’s game and it took the bench yelling at him to get him to run it out.

David Freese: Despite hitting reasonably well at the plate, Freese doesn’t strike me as a major leaguer.  He’s got a nice arm at third but he’s too passive on groundballs for my liking.  Anything hit hard is liable to gobble him up on a bad hop and find him on his heels.  I still like Allen Craig better as a prospect.

Josh Phelps: Had a nice weekend with some very hard hit balls.  That still looks like a major league bat to me.  If I was a team like the Mariners, I might try signing him to a minor league contract as a servicable and cheap 1B option.  Not of much help to the Cardinals but probably not done as a major leaguer.

Bryan Anderson: Still not a great defender.  Let one ball go right between his legs on Sunday.  Needs to do better at blocking balls in the dirt.  Lateral movement behind the plate was good.  Arm strength is good but accuracy is probably only average.  Should be able to hit .300 in the majors but without a lot of secondary skills unless power develops late.

Jon Jay: Of all the players I saw, he looked like a major leaguer in all facets of the game.  I like the comps that were offered in the DFR yesterday.  Schumaker is one that seems extremely apt although I’d say Jay’s tools are slightly better across the board.  He’s a very good defender making a spectacular diving catch in Sunday’s game.  He takes good routes to the balls and gets good reads.  At the plate he showed an advances approach making solid contact and wasn’t fooled by breaking pitches or offspeed stuff.  The power is below average.  He’s quicker than I had anticipated him to be showing above average speed.  Overall, I think he’s probably a starting CF for a major league team that is getting power from other positions.  Is that with the Cardinals?  Probably not, but he should be a worthwhile trade chip next year.

12 Responses to “Memphis Redbirds: Position Players”
  1. SleepyCA says:

    Yeah, Ryan is a real disappointment. He definitely had his chance this year and didn’t step up.

  2. Liam says:

    A rather optimistic Tyler Greene comp, (not normalized) minor league numbers:

    Player A: ISOP .173 ; OBP-BA .070 : .255/.325/.448
    Player B: ISOP .152 ; OBP-BA .059 : .294/.353/.446

    Both first-round college shortstops who don’t walk much, strike out a lot, and hit for good power as slick-fielding shortstops. On a Cardinals team—a valuable #7 hitter who’ll either drive in lots of runs ahead of the pitcher and who isn’t likely to eliminate a baserunner on first (bunting opportunity) in a DP ahead of the pitcher.

    Note that Player A (Tyler Greene) played with a knee injury for about a fifth of his professional career.

    I’d be pleased if Tyler Greene would turn out like Player B [Khalil Greene (too obvious?)]

  3. shaneo69 says:

    Parisi out for the year.
    Todd up to Memphis.
    Furnish up to Springfield.
    Additon up to Palm Beach.
    Hooker up to QC.

  4. Bob says:

    Thanks much for the overview, azru! Bryan Anderson is in a rut right now, but (like you) I have no doubt he’ll hit for average in the Bigs…and his walk rate & CS% are on the upswing.

    Whatever he’s doing in AAA, we need to keep in mind that this is a 21-year-old who fairly dominated AA both offensively and defensively (40% CS) while young for his league. Despite his recent struggles, this has been an exhilarating breakout season for B.A., and an MLB catcher with average D and slash stats of, say, .315/.375/.440 is *extremely* valuable.

    Great to hear that Jon Jay is looking so good so far in Memphis. I know you see the power as below avg., but are 14-16 homers (plus 35-40 doubles) a realistic possibility in your view? Maybe I’m too down on Skip Schu, but I see Jay as potentially 2 or maybe even 3 wins better per year–especially if he can stick in CF.

  5. ICBIRDFAN says:

    Speaking of position players…. What ever happened to the Jarrett Hoffpauir bandwagon? I know his name was brought up a lot, but I have not heard much about him this year.

    Looking at this numbers they are OK, but nothing to get super excited about. I guess at best maybe he is Aaron Miles with a bit more pop(not much though)?

    Not too much exciting stuff in the Memphis MI so it seems. I guess we will have to wait for Kozma and the other guy whose name escapes me.

  6. KCardinal says:

    So what you are saying is that you were only *excited* about one?

    Freese only has 8 errors on the year, so there must not be too many grounders eating him up. (I’m sure he’s had plenty hit hard at him) And I’m not arguing that Craig isn’t a better prospect, because he probably is.

    You say Phelps looks like a major leaguer.

    Surely Bryan Anderson, at age 21, holding his own in AAA, is a major leaguer.

    And then you were excited about Jay.

    Not to be snarky, but doesn’t that make four?

  7. azruavatar says:

    Freese – I don’t think he’s a major leaguer
    Phelps – fine for a team with lots of holes and bigger problems to address otherwise he’s going to be a career minor leaguer
    Anderson – probably an everyday catcher on a team willing to accept his defensive shortcomings
    Jay – everyday major league CF

    call it 1 and a 1/2

  8. azruavatar says:

    Bob — I think your numbers for Anderson are probably high especially the power. .290/.360/.400 is more what I’d expect.

    The doubles for Jay are way to high although he could have a 15 HR year once or twice during his career. That’s not a stable level of power production though.

  9. Zach says:

    I have to admit that this is the first year I have really followed the Cardinal’s minor league system closely and I think that there are a lot of players to be reasonable optimistic about.

    With that said, it seems that most of those players are at AA/A and not in Memphis. Other than Garcia, Perez and Rasmus, I’m not sure any Redbird is going to be helpful next season. I’m sure I will be wrong about that, though. After one great draft it seems that we will have a couple more years before Jones/Salas/Todd/Kozma are major league ready

  10. deejay says:

    What’s wrong with Parisi?

  11. UncleBuck44 says:

    Zach, really the talent is spread out very well in the system. The 3 guys you mentioned that are at AAA were 3 of the Cardinals top 4 prospects going into the year.(Brett Wallace is probably the 2nd best prospect now) Then throw in Bryan Anderson who is there as well which gives you the Cardinals top 4 prospects all at AAA. That’s pretty rare.

    If we can get solid production from Chris Perez, Jaime Garcia and Colby Rasmus next year then the 2009 team is going to be in great shape. Then you might be able to mix Jason Motte and Mitch Boggs into the bullpen or rotation and maybe Jon Jay or even Tyler Greene off the bench(although more than likely Jay’s job will be Schumaker’s job).

    Deejay, Parisi tore an elbow ligament IIRC.

  12. Easy says:

    I think it’s a pretty good analysis of these guys. It’s also a mirror of our farm system. Lots of interesting role players, few blue chippers. I agree that Craig is a better prospect than Freese and maybe even a good 3b prospect considering that this is his second full season and he would be in AAA if we hadn’t “dumped” Edmonds. The Wallace acquisition makes him seem less exciting.
    I’m not sure why people expected much more of Ryan. To me he’s shown that he can be a decent reserve infielder. Didn’t expect anything more than that.
    Agree that Jay is the most likely major leaguer. He’ll have to hit .320 or so to be a regular and I also suspect that will be with another team.

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