Comments on: Mr. Unconventional

By: Mike C

Mike C — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:34:35 +0000

I agree that Worrell has been very overlooked with the Cardinals. Atleast give him a few months in the Big Leagues and if he still cant cut it…. so be it. But evaluating someone after such a short stint is not only unfair but absurd. I hope another team traded for him bc he is such a humble and talented young man.

By: Pitchers Hit Eighth

Pitchers Hit Eighth — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:12:50 +0000

Plus, Worrell has a plus stick – did you see that HR he hit? :)

By: azruavatar

azruavatar — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:13:59 +0000

Kinney and Worrell are very similar pitchers. Worrell is certainly a better option than Jimenez who received significant time last season.

By: icbirdfan

icbirdfan — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:07:58 +0000

Anthony-

He is not blocked by…..

McClellan (way better than Worrell)
Perez (way better upside than Worrell and probably way better right now)
Motte (way better than Worrell right now with one pitch)
Kinney (seems to be pretty darn good.. I was skeptical after 2006 but he looks way better than worrell too)

There are better RHP than Worrell right now. I don’t care, it says our options are pretty damb good if Worrell can’t get a look and I dont really care. He may turn out to be a gimmick specialist guy, but all the guys above have a TON more upside and should get more opportunities than Worrell….

By the way I think Duncan knows what to look for.. He has said many good things about Perez, Motte, Kinney, and McClellan. It’s obvious you hate him, but taking shots is not worth the time.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:31:09 +0000

Matt, Obviously it will be because Worrell will never get an opportunity with the Cardinals to be valuable. I don't think I have ever seen a pitcher with those numbers who has been snubbed this badly unless he was being blocked by studs, which i wouldn't classify Brad Thompson, Kelvin Jimenez, etc. Maybe Worrell [erik edit--content deleted, violates comment guidelines. Consider this a warning.]

By: Matt

Matt — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:52:57 +0000

I would wager that, Duncan or not, Chris’ half season in 2006 will be more meaningful than Worrell’s entire career. Duncan had decent minor league numbers but at one point he just couldn’t be ignored at the major-league level.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:07:28 +0000

Giveml and meat:

How can you possibly have a valid evaluation of someone after 4.2 innings? That type of scouting technique is more suited for High School and Little League coaches who have 80 kids to evaluate in 2 days. 4+ years of success compared to less than a quality start of mediocrity should be taken into consideration. Tweedle dee (La Russa) and tweedle dumb (Duncan) have given the excuse that Mark is not effective enough against lefties, yet Worrell had better numbers against lefties than righties, this year. It’s too bad he wasn’t born a Duncan or else he would have had a chance regardless of his numbers. I hope that Worrell is traded to a team with a better appreciation for performance rather than a team that overestimates burnt out veterans and swings from the d*cks of inflated prospects (Perez). Unfortunately, you have a GM who is afraid to make any moves, so I hope “Cardinals Nation” is content with their 6 mediocre middle infielders and reliance on pitchers who might one day contribute to the team.

By: JT

JT — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:50:12 +0000

I agree…. I dont think the Cards gave Worrell enough of a chance. I think he is highly underestimated and I dont think anyone gives him enough credit. Hopefully he gets a chance soon or traded.

By: DCGreg

DCGreg — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:55:56 +0000

Erik, thanks for the analysis. Seems clear to me the guy is worthy of a longer shot in the leagues, if not with STL then elsewhere. I must say I’m still puzzled that he’s not at least mentioned more often as trade bait — perhaps not as a centerpiece but as someone a number other teams would value.

By: TimJ

TimJ — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:27:18 +0000

FIP according the The Hardball Times

Fielding Independent Pitching, a measure of all those things for which a pitcher is specifically responsible. The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP-IBB)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. FIP helps you understand how well a pitcher pitched, regardless of how well his fielders fielded. FIP was invented by Tangotiger.