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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2008/12/08/aj/comment-page-1/#comment-4078</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Az.  I see what you&#039;re saying.  I think Burnett has proven that signing him 3 years ago would have been a good move.  His arm is a few years older now, though.  The best argument, imo, that you&#039;ve made (I think at viva el birdos) is that the Cards shouldn&#039;t &quot;waste&quot; Pujols prime.  I still say that the opportunity cost is too high - especially in the 4th or 5th year of that contract.  Losing our first round pick makes it that much easier of a decision to me.  

It&#039;s really a moot point, of course.  The Cards aren&#039;t players for Burnett and don&#039;t intend to enter the fray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Az.  I see what you&#8217;re saying.  I think Burnett has proven that signing him 3 years ago would have been a good move.  His arm is a few years older now, though.  The best argument, imo, that you&#8217;ve made (I think at viva el birdos) is that the Cards shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;waste&#8221; Pujols prime.  I still say that the opportunity cost is too high &#8211; especially in the 4th or 5th year of that contract.  Losing our first round pick makes it that much easier of a decision to me.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a moot point, of course.  The Cards aren&#8217;t players for Burnett and don&#8217;t intend to enter the fray.</p>
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		<title>By: jstrange</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2008/12/08/aj/comment-page-1/#comment-4077</link>
		<dc:creator>jstrange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the idea of signing burnett is without question intriguing due to the simple fact of what he could bring to the table.  most people who surf this site know what he is:  a unique arm with injury/makeup concerns.  to me, burnett is one of the biggest enigmas of the decade.  he has the best stuff of any pitcher i&#039;ve ever seen with the possible exception of randy johnson in his prime.  however, his story is well known.  injury issues and mediocre career numbers.  

the cost of a draft pick is very big in today&#039;s game.  teams value this more than ever now that the realization of building from within is more and more empasized (see tampa bay).  but one thing that i firmly believe about the cardinals is this:  luhnow and co. have done an excellent job of replenishing talent back into this once barren farm system.  however, what they have excelled at is providing depth, not impact talent.  sure, there is the obvious exceptions with players such as rasmus, wallace and perhaps jones.  but the cardinals have been EXTREMELY poor at developing frontline starting pitchers.  haren turned out to be an all-star, but the last pitcher that we developed that was a frontline pitcher was morris.  you could argue wainwright, but bottom line on him was that we didn&#039;t draft him (though in hindsight that was a helluva trade).  I do like that we are drafting sleepers in the later rounds (hooker, zawacki, ferrera to name a few), and we finally are starting to see some interesting names being circulated from the international front (castillo, franco, help me out here....maybe colorado?).  

bottom line....do i think we should pony-up and throw a ton of money at burnett?  very intrigued, but no.  however, until we start developing legit SP prospects we will always have to explore the free agent/loss of draft pick options as a realistic possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the idea of signing burnett is without question intriguing due to the simple fact of what he could bring to the table.  most people who surf this site know what he is:  a unique arm with injury/makeup concerns.  to me, burnett is one of the biggest enigmas of the decade.  he has the best stuff of any pitcher i&#8217;ve ever seen with the possible exception of randy johnson in his prime.  however, his story is well known.  injury issues and mediocre career numbers.  </p>
<p>the cost of a draft pick is very big in today&#8217;s game.  teams value this more than ever now that the realization of building from within is more and more empasized (see tampa bay).  but one thing that i firmly believe about the cardinals is this:  luhnow and co. have done an excellent job of replenishing talent back into this once barren farm system.  however, what they have excelled at is providing depth, not impact talent.  sure, there is the obvious exceptions with players such as rasmus, wallace and perhaps jones.  but the cardinals have been EXTREMELY poor at developing frontline starting pitchers.  haren turned out to be an all-star, but the last pitcher that we developed that was a frontline pitcher was morris.  you could argue wainwright, but bottom line on him was that we didn&#8217;t draft him (though in hindsight that was a helluva trade).  I do like that we are drafting sleepers in the later rounds (hooker, zawacki, ferrera to name a few), and we finally are starting to see some interesting names being circulated from the international front (castillo, franco, help me out here&#8230;.maybe colorado?).  </p>
<p>bottom line&#8230;.do i think we should pony-up and throw a ton of money at burnett?  very intrigued, but no.  however, until we start developing legit SP prospects we will always have to explore the free agent/loss of draft pick options as a realistic possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: chuckb</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuckb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AZ -- He&#039;s also 3 years older today than he was then.  We&#039;re talking about his age-32 through age-36 seasons.  I like him very much for the next 2 seasons but not for the next 5.  I think you were right then (and I was wrong) but I think you&#039;re wrong today....respectfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AZ &#8212; He&#8217;s also 3 years older today than he was then.  We&#8217;re talking about his age-32 through age-36 seasons.  I like him very much for the next 2 seasons but not for the next 5.  I think you were right then (and I was wrong) but I think you&#8217;re wrong today&#8230;.respectfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Swirls AEP9</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2008/12/08/aj/comment-page-1/#comment-4074</link>
		<dc:creator>Swirls AEP9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shanky,

The contract &quot;extension&quot; we worked out with Carpenter ended up as the equivalent of a 5 year deal. It was a 3 year extension for after the 08 season. He still had 2 years remaining on his current deal, so it was the equivalent of a 5 year deal.

I believe the deal we gave Waino last year was a 5 year deal as well... Or maybe it was 4 years with an option for a 5th. I don&#039;t remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shanky,</p>
<p>The contract &#8220;extension&#8221; we worked out with Carpenter ended up as the equivalent of a 5 year deal. It was a 3 year extension for after the 08 season. He still had 2 years remaining on his current deal, so it was the equivalent of a 5 year deal.</p>
<p>I believe the deal we gave Waino last year was a 5 year deal as well&#8230; Or maybe it was 4 years with an option for a 5th. I don&#8217;t remember.</p>
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		<title>By: azruavatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>azruavatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone said the same thing when he signed in Toronto.  He then went to post seasons worth 1.5W, 2W, and 4W last season.  He projects as a +3 player next season which would make him the equal of either Wainwright or Carpenter&#039;s projection next seaosn (better when you consider IP).  

Let me repeat that: Burnett projects as better than ANY current starter the Cardinals have for next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone said the same thing when he signed in Toronto.  He then went to post seasons worth 1.5W, 2W, and 4W last season.  He projects as a +3 player next season which would make him the equal of either Wainwright or Carpenter&#8217;s projection next seaosn (better when you consider IP).  </p>
<p>Let me repeat that: Burnett projects as better than ANY current starter the Cardinals have for next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie says it wasn&#039;t legit, anyway.  Rosenthal kind of frames it as a guess, but the headline is a bit misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie says it wasn&#8217;t legit, anyway.  Rosenthal kind of frames it as a guess, but the headline is a bit misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: nomar34</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomar34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agreed with you on VEB and I will agree here too. I very much respect Az but I don&#039;t see many positives to doing this. You lose out on a 1st round pick and are on the hook for a pitcher on the wrong side of 30 with injury history out his tail end for FIVE YEARS!!! He is very good (although not as much as CC who is the only FA pitcher I would give 5 years to) but this could just as easily turn into a Mike Hampton-type contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agreed with you on VEB and I will agree here too. I very much respect Az but I don&#8217;t see many positives to doing this. You lose out on a 1st round pick and are on the hook for a pitcher on the wrong side of 30 with injury history out his tail end for FIVE YEARS!!! He is very good (although not as much as CC who is the only FA pitcher I would give 5 years to) but this could just as easily turn into a Mike Hampton-type contract.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with u guys that the draft pick is a crapshoot. its still roughly one in three though for first rounders and the value on guys like rasmus is huge. burnett will cost about what we would have left to spend anyways with holes in bullpen/closer and second base. i like cardinalsins idea in getting penny. between carp and penny one would be really good next year and possibly two. 1 1/2 seasons of penny/carp plus a half season of piniero sounds ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with u guys that the draft pick is a crapshoot. its still roughly one in three though for first rounders and the value on guys like rasmus is huge. burnett will cost about what we would have left to spend anyways with holes in bullpen/closer and second base. i like cardinalsins idea in getting penny. between carp and penny one would be really good next year and possibly two. 1 1/2 seasons of penny/carp plus a half season of piniero sounds ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Shanky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given our history of not giving out long-term deals to pitchers, I don&#039;t think it will gain any momentum. In fact, can anyone remember us giving a 5-year deal to any starting pitcher, including our own? It just flies in the face of how we operate, which (personally) I think is smart business considering most of those deals usually end up extremely lopsided in favor of the player later in the contract. Burnett in 2009 will not be the same as Burnett in 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given our history of not giving out long-term deals to pitchers, I don&#8217;t think it will gain any momentum. In fact, can anyone remember us giving a 5-year deal to any starting pitcher, including our own? It just flies in the face of how we operate, which (personally) I think is smart business considering most of those deals usually end up extremely lopsided in favor of the player later in the contract. Burnett in 2009 will not be the same as Burnett in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Todd. Right, that&#039;s what I&#039;m saying... but Wainwright has already been reupped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Todd. Right, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m saying&#8230; but Wainwright has already been reupped.</p>
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