Peak Translations + WAR Spreadsheet = ultimate hyperventaliting prospect geekdom
Posted by erik in peak translationsI’m pretty sure this is not what Sky never intended this when he created this spreadsheet, and I’m warning you ahead a time to not make this into something I haven’t said, but if you go over to tab 5 you’ll see the Peak Translations tab for current farmhands only.
First of all, I should probably remind you what Peak Translations are. According to Clay Davenport, they are:
Applies a typical aging pattern to the regular translation, to try and assess how good the player will be at his peak. Peak generally means somewhere around age 27; however, since the components of offense don’t age at the same rates (speed decays earlier than power, for instance), and since players don’t have the same mix of those components, the actual peak age has some variability, as early as 25 for pure speedsters and as late as 30 for sluggers. The adjustments for pitchers are considerably more sketchy; the very idea of a typical aging curve relies on predictable, steady changes in performance, while pitchers tendencies are dominated by essentially unpredictable point impacts, most commonly either injuries or developing a new pitch. All in all, though, the peak translation is an important tool for me to assess prospect status.
I probably left out some of your favorite pet prospects in favor of mine, but for the most part I tried to stick with those who either have been in Baseball America’s Top 30, Sickels Top 20, KG’s Top 11 or our own rankings at one point. Say it’s 2011 and this somehow, someway manages to be THE team and all these players peak according to their translations from this past season at the same time, it’s a 91 win team. I’d say the odds of something like that happening are like .0000001%, but it an interesting thought.
I think the more interesting part of this exercise is how many wins above replacement each player translates to be based on their stats from last season. You can get an visual picture of what AZ was talking about in his recent “Positional Scarcity” column and why I’m higher than some on both Anderson and Kozma, despite their overall lack of “wow” factor.
Now for some explanation, clarification and otherwise random thoughts:
- For the defense I used for the most part their FRAA on the Peak Translation page, other times I just guessed or I may have docked a run or two. In Freese’s case, I left his rather enthusiastic FRAA alone. You can dock or add as many runs to a player in your mind to get a clearer idea of his WAR.
- For baserunning, I honestly just guesstimated with the scouting reports in mind.
- For pitchers, I used ERALF, which is luck-free ERA. Clay Davenport says it is essentially the same as DIPS. It is quite unfriendly to Jess Todd.
- I used the peak translation for where the player had the lion share of his plate appearances/innings pitched.
- No 2008 draftees other than Wallace, and with him I honestly just fudged on his numbers. No players are included that didn’t play on a full season club, either, obviously.
- I think in the grand scheme of things, Colby and Jones’ slugging % will swap.
- Freese fans will get happy. Craig fans, too.
- The Daryl Jones controversy rages on. Jones believers will love it, pessimists will decry there’s no way he’s a 5 WAR player even at his peak. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, I presume.
- Yes, I know that Jay doesn’t have the arm to handle right field. Neither does Jones. Colby does, but he will not budge. The picture is what the player’s value is at their peak as a corner OF. Don’t worry about who is where, the positional adjustment for LF/RF is the same.
- TINSTAAFAITCS. That’s There Is No Such Thing As A Future Ace In The Cardinal System. Jaime Garcia might be a decent #2 on a Cardinal team, however.
- Hill, Cruz and Descalso may be flying under the radar.
- Jason Motte looks high in his team mugshot.
- I like bullet points.
You can say peak translations are flawed because they only take into account one season, and that’s right. I’m thinking when PECOTA comes out we could run through a similar exercise and see what we come up with. But for now it gives you something to visualize when it comes to a players’ potential worth in while he is in his peak, and if you disagree, I’m pretty sure you can just cut and paste and put it into Edit Grid and play around with it to suite your own intuition.

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You know the fun police are going to come and take that spreadsheet away from you…
Interesting that Kozma came out at a 3+ player. Being just good enough at short is pretty good.
Loved it Erik…very interesting stuff. Are all the FA$ = to 2009 value?
This years squad projects to be worth $174.6M not too shabby for less than $100M committed. Also the Peak translations group is worth almost $200M and (in this alternate universe) would probably make something like $15-20M. It sure would be nice to have a guy with #1 potential in the system…is that what we target in the draft?
How on Earth is Riefer not in YOUR bullpen. What happened to the man crush???
The fun police better not take it away. I’ve been having fun with it also. I’m working on the Central division.
Yep, they are eq. to 09 value. Compare this with the spreadsheet I did of the free agent team and you can see it’s pretty clear that it’s best to build from within as much as possible. Not that that truth isn’t commonly known, anyway.
He did not qualify, remember, no short season. Next year, though..
I know this isn’t really related, so sorry, but I’ve been reading FR for awhile now just was never motivated to comment, I’ve noticed that some of the videos here are from springfield , I live here in springfield and had season tix to the springfield cardinals last year, I’d love to catch a game with any of you guys if you’re hear….. always nice to have baseball chats with people that know baseball…..
Where do you think Riefer will finish the 2009 season, using your most optimistic outlook?
To roarke: if you want optimism, Reifer finishes in Memphis. I think he’ll start in High A ball, bypassing QC altogether, should see Springfield at some point around midseason, and could get one of those push promotions at the very tail end of the season to challenge him.
That’s probably a bit too optimistic, though.
@ Roarke –I concur with theredbaaron. He’ll finish in AA, but it’s conceivable he finishes in AAA, although that’s a very sunny outlook.
Like I’ve said before…I know Motte personally (I played with his younger brother and worked out with him during winters) and he’s pretty much high on life all day everyday…the kid loves baseball and I can’t wait to see what he can do this year with Duncan
CS85,
Any idea on what other pitches Motte is working on? How are they coming along?
This is certainly fun stuff for a cold January morning (I live in Minnesota), but I’ve got a few quibbling comments.
1. I’ve been a Daryl Jones supporter even when he slid off the top 30 list but I’m not going to bet what’s left of my 401k that he’ll ever slug .494 in the major leagues.
2. My enthusiasm about Colby Rasmus has been tempered lately but I actually think he’ll do better at his peak than the projection.
3. I’m worried that Duncan will coax a decent season out of Joe Blow and Mo will sign him to a four year contract.
4. Doesn’t seem to be a lot of difference between our pitchers. I suspect there will be very little difference between P.J. Walters’ peak year and the rest of his years so this makes him look like a pretty valuable property. I just have trouble seeing him ever spending a full year in the major leagues.
5. We should do what we have to to keep Adam Ottavino from fulfilling his peak translation.
Erik –
You’ve dared to imagine a Cardinal team with out Albert Pujols. Not only that, but in this scenario he’s apparently walked for just a draft choice. Oh the humanity!
Help me understand “Peak Translations”. Are the projections for each player at the hi-end for performance at his peak age? Are they based solely on 2008 performance?
Doesn’t PECOTA do a range of performance projection 3 years out? So you can choose a median projection instead of a hi-end or low-end one?
Re:Motte’s picture. What is it with Cardinals and cheesy goattees?
They are their minor league equivalents from this past season only, with an aging pattern applied to them to forecast what the player should do at his peak seasons (25 for speedsters, 27-29 for power hitters). Because they are based on one season, feel free to not take them super seriously. Some seam realistic–Anderson, Kozma, Craig…some may not be as realistic, like in the case of Jones, although we can hope.
I entered in only prospects, it’s just an all prospect team. But since you mentioned the absence of Albert, I’m sad to say is seems like a real possibility these days.
Mop
I know he’s working on his slider/slurve really hard and he’s mentioned a sinker in passing (personally I think this would be a great out pitch for him) but his biggest problem is that he never pitched…same with his brothers (both INF) so he’s still trying to perfect his motion and getting a consistent grip and spin on the ball
He’s going to have an interesting year with Duncan coaching him everyday I’d expect to see a sinker make a debut late in the season