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	<title>Comments on: Pete Porcello and Rick Kozma</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2009/06/01/pete-porcello-rick-kozma/comment-page-1/#comment-18920</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just thinking about this issue and was there any indication that the Cardinals were seriously considering Porcello? I&#039;m sure quite a few of the teams heard his asking price and immediately ruled him out from the start.  I wonder if in our draft room were they debating the merits of taking Porcello as the clock expired or was there never any chance we were willing to draft him?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just thinking about this issue and was there any indication that the Cardinals were seriously considering Porcello? I&#8217;m sure quite a few of the teams heard his asking price and immediately ruled him out from the start.  I wonder if in our draft room were they debating the merits of taking Porcello as the clock expired or was there never any chance we were willing to draft him?</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2009/06/01/pete-porcello-rick-kozma/comment-page-1/#comment-8270</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we can all agree that if STL did pick Porcello, he wouldn&#039;t be up in the bigs right now.  Or if he was, he&#039;d have Boggs seat on the shuttle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can all agree that if STL did pick Porcello, he wouldn&#8217;t be up in the bigs right now.  Or if he was, he&#8217;d have Boggs seat on the shuttle.</p>
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		<title>By: Kazahkstanny Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kazahkstanny Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric,

You know you don&#039;t believe that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>You know you don&#8217;t believe that.</p>
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		<title>By: stevieville</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2009/06/01/pete-porcello-rick-kozma/comment-page-1/#comment-8268</link>
		<dc:creator>stevieville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mozeliak also used the signability issue in reference to Tim Melville(the Wentzville, MO HS grad) last year, who was picked early 4th round by KC, and yes, he signed with a nice bonus.  Given that and &quot;the current economy&quot;, Mozeliak&#039;s 2nd favorite term, (w/  &quot;low hanging fruit&quot; No. 1), this draft will be another yawner. 

For anyone that is interested, Melville recently began pitching in the Midwest League, and in 3 starts he is 1-2, with an ERA of 3.86, WHIP=0.99.    

I was surprised that they did pursue(and actually sign) some of the high dollar Latin players last year.  Hopefully, that is not a one year thing.  But given the current state of the economy........low hanging fruit......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mozeliak also used the signability issue in reference to Tim Melville(the Wentzville, MO HS grad) last year, who was picked early 4th round by KC, and yes, he signed with a nice bonus.  Given that and &#8220;the current economy&#8221;, Mozeliak&#8217;s 2nd favorite term, (w/  &#8220;low hanging fruit&#8221; No. 1), this draft will be another yawner. </p>
<p>For anyone that is interested, Melville recently began pitching in the Midwest League, and in 3 starts he is 1-2, with an ERA of 3.86, WHIP=0.99.    </p>
<p>I was surprised that they did pursue(and actually sign) some of the high dollar Latin players last year.  Hopefully, that is not a one year thing.  But given the current state of the economy&#8230;&#8230;..low hanging fruit&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky's Pitchfork</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2009/06/01/pete-porcello-rick-kozma/comment-page-1/#comment-8266</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparky's Pitchfork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex: You raise a good argument regarding evaluating Kozma on his own merits. However, who has added more value to their franchise right now? Porcello. Based on projections, who had the potential to add greater value to any franchise? Porcello. Again, did Kozma add value to the Cardinals? Absolutely. However, his value-add is significantly lower than Porcello, but at the same time his value-destroy (I think I just made that term up) is much lower as well.

I am a believer that draftees must be compared against one another no matter the position. It is all about adding value and understanding risk/return. Remember, baseball is a free market enterprise to some degree. You can address needs through trades. If your big league club is lacking in left handed batters, trade for a couple. Unlock the value you have built up in the farm to address the weaknesses you have.

Just some food for thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex: You raise a good argument regarding evaluating Kozma on his own merits. However, who has added more value to their franchise right now? Porcello. Based on projections, who had the potential to add greater value to any franchise? Porcello. Again, did Kozma add value to the Cardinals? Absolutely. However, his value-add is significantly lower than Porcello, but at the same time his value-destroy (I think I just made that term up) is much lower as well.</p>
<p>I am a believer that draftees must be compared against one another no matter the position. It is all about adding value and understanding risk/return. Remember, baseball is a free market enterprise to some degree. You can address needs through trades. If your big league club is lacking in left handed batters, trade for a couple. Unlock the value you have built up in the farm to address the weaknesses you have.</p>
<p>Just some food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have two things I want to say.

Picklefork (and the other dead horse beaters), it simply isn&#039;t as black and white as &quot;basing a pick on money, not talent&quot; or vice versa. Can we at least agree on that?

Every team has a budget that is established before June (probably in the offseason). I&#039;m sure there&#039;s plenty of room to adjust that number up or down depending on the owners&#039; situation, but the point is that no team has unlimited funds to invest into the draft. Everyone agrees so far?

If that&#039;s the case, then the goal for a (good) scouting director has to be collecting the most talent given a budget of $X,XXX,XXX, right?  So even though the Cardinals and every other team seemed pretty high on Porcello and he would have been taken in the first 5 picks if money wasn&#039;t an issue, the fact is that money *is* an issue. For every player in the draft, the organization has to decide how much of their cache they are willing to invest. 

Can we at least base these kinds of discussions on these assumptions rather than the tired &quot;talent = good &amp; signability = bad&quot; framework?

Finally:
Kozma deserves to be evaluated on his own merits; he has strengths, weaknesses, streaks, slumps, etc. that all have nothing to do with Porcello. 
The persistent Porcello-Kozma comparisons are borderline psychotic at this point. I mean, why don&#039;t just start comparing every Cardinals prospect to the highest-priced player they *could* have taken? Jesse Todd vs Austin Romine... Daniel Descalso vs Brad Suttle... Brett Wallace vs. Casey Kelly... Shane Peterson vs. Trey Haley... crazy, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two things I want to say.</p>
<p>Picklefork (and the other dead horse beaters), it simply isn&#8217;t as black and white as &#8220;basing a pick on money, not talent&#8221; or vice versa. Can we at least agree on that?</p>
<p>Every team has a budget that is established before June (probably in the offseason). I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s plenty of room to adjust that number up or down depending on the owners&#8217; situation, but the point is that no team has unlimited funds to invest into the draft. Everyone agrees so far?</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, then the goal for a (good) scouting director has to be collecting the most talent given a budget of $X,XXX,XXX, right?  So even though the Cardinals and every other team seemed pretty high on Porcello and he would have been taken in the first 5 picks if money wasn&#8217;t an issue, the fact is that money *is* an issue. For every player in the draft, the organization has to decide how much of their cache they are willing to invest. </p>
<p>Can we at least base these kinds of discussions on these assumptions rather than the tired &#8220;talent = good &amp; signability = bad&#8221; framework?</p>
<p>Finally:<br />
Kozma deserves to be evaluated on his own merits; he has strengths, weaknesses, streaks, slumps, etc. that all have nothing to do with Porcello.<br />
The persistent Porcello-Kozma comparisons are borderline psychotic at this point. I mean, why don&#8217;t just start comparing every Cardinals prospect to the highest-priced player they *could* have taken? Jesse Todd vs Austin Romine&#8230; Daniel Descalso vs Brad Suttle&#8230; Brett Wallace vs. Casey Kelly&#8230; Shane Peterson vs. Trey Haley&#8230; crazy, no?</p>
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		<title>By: bigchieftootiemontana</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigchieftootiemontana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Porcello would have been a great pick for the Cards at that time, hopefully they will take some risks in the future drafts when a player of that ability is available.  Based on Picklefork&#039;s numbers, the money shouldn&#039;t have been enough to stop the Cardinals from drafting Porcello.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porcello would have been a great pick for the Cards at that time, hopefully they will take some risks in the future drafts when a player of that ability is available.  Based on Picklefork&#8217;s numbers, the money shouldn&#8217;t have been enough to stop the Cardinals from drafting Porcello.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky's Pitchfork</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2009/06/01/pete-porcello-rick-kozma/comment-page-1/#comment-8257</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparky's Pitchfork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Cardinals draft philosophy is simple, “conservative, comfortable projections with moderate leverage”. 

The best way I can describe this is, Net Present Value (or IRR). Every major league team when they make their draft selection believes the draftee has positive NPV. Obviously, if the NPV were negative, they would not make the selection. The larger the investment, the greater the financial impact if the draftee were to fail or be a success. Clearly, the Cardinals are conservative investors. They are not willing to expose their portfolio to potential devastating losses. They prefer to make investments that will add limited value, that have moderate upside and downside potential. Opposed to more aggressive investors (Tigers) that believe the unlimited upside potential of a draftee outweighs the limited downside. 

I am probably stating the obvious, but from a different perspective. It is important to understand that the Cardinals are in-fact adding value to their farm system. However, it is not as much as many people would like. We could argue that the farm is diversified enough that the Birds could make larger investments and risk in upcoming drafts and still have a portfolio with enough value to provide talent to the big league club. I just never see them pulling the trigger on a draftee with superstar potential because the risk of failure is too great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cardinals draft philosophy is simple, “conservative, comfortable projections with moderate leverage”. </p>
<p>The best way I can describe this is, Net Present Value (or IRR). Every major league team when they make their draft selection believes the draftee has positive NPV. Obviously, if the NPV were negative, they would not make the selection. The larger the investment, the greater the financial impact if the draftee were to fail or be a success. Clearly, the Cardinals are conservative investors. They are not willing to expose their portfolio to potential devastating losses. They prefer to make investments that will add limited value, that have moderate upside and downside potential. Opposed to more aggressive investors (Tigers) that believe the unlimited upside potential of a draftee outweighs the limited downside. </p>
<p>I am probably stating the obvious, but from a different perspective. It is important to understand that the Cardinals are in-fact adding value to their farm system. However, it is not as much as many people would like. We could argue that the farm is diversified enough that the Birds could make larger investments and risk in upcoming drafts and still have a portfolio with enough value to provide talent to the big league club. I just never see them pulling the trigger on a draftee with superstar potential because the risk of failure is too great.</p>
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		<title>By: cardzfanbub</title>
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		<dc:creator>cardzfanbub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At what point did the Cards &quot;change their philosophy&quot;?  At the time of the Kozma draft Jocketty was the GM, but the team was in swift decline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point did the Cards &#8220;change their philosophy&#8221;?  At the time of the Kozma draft Jocketty was the GM, but the team was in swift decline.</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if they pass on Matt Purke, i think it will be because his mechanics (from my view and others) spell injury, not just his high price tag.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if they pass on Matt Purke, i think it will be because his mechanics (from my view and others) spell injury, not just his high price tag.</p>
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