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	<title>Comments on: Chris Perez + PTBNL for Mark DeRosa</title>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2009/06/27/chris-perez-ptbnl-mark-derosa/comment-page-1/#comment-9780</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m undecided about it and mostly because I see it as a horizontal move that could go either way. It seems to me that our greatest opportunity to improve involves replacing Chris Duncan in LF.  I&#039;ve never been one of Duncan&#039;s harsher critics, but it&#039;s hard to imagine the team not improving, significantly, by replacing him with one of the better outfielders available.

There&#039;s little doubt that DeRosa will improve our offensive production, but will it be as an infielder or an outfielder? The improvement will happen either way, but his numbers are not as impressive if he&#039;s mostly an outfielder. If he&#039;s mostly an infielder, which would be my guess, then that means we still have Duncan under-performing in the outfield.

We can only guess whether Ankiel, Ludwick or Duncan will ever start hitting again, but I don&#039;t see how anyone could argue that the first two don&#039;t deserve more time over Duncan, who is halfway through his second season of lackluster performance and has never actually been a steady player during his tenure in STL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m undecided about it and mostly because I see it as a horizontal move that could go either way. It seems to me that our greatest opportunity to improve involves replacing Chris Duncan in LF.  I&#8217;ve never been one of Duncan&#8217;s harsher critics, but it&#8217;s hard to imagine the team not improving, significantly, by replacing him with one of the better outfielders available.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s little doubt that DeRosa will improve our offensive production, but will it be as an infielder or an outfielder? The improvement will happen either way, but his numbers are not as impressive if he&#8217;s mostly an outfielder. If he&#8217;s mostly an infielder, which would be my guess, then that means we still have Duncan under-performing in the outfield.</p>
<p>We can only guess whether Ankiel, Ludwick or Duncan will ever start hitting again, but I don&#8217;t see how anyone could argue that the first two don&#8217;t deserve more time over Duncan, who is halfway through his second season of lackluster performance and has never actually been a steady player during his tenure in STL.</p>
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		<title>By: FreeRedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreeRedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far, I like this trade.

1. Even with the loss to the Twins today, the Cards are only 1 game behind the Brewers(honestly I can&#039;t believe this but it&#039;s the truth) AND Carpenter looks healthy now. You have to take a chance when he can pitch. I think the odds are pretty high that next year he would go back to the DL and miss significant time. The team obviously needed some reinforcements; while DeRosa isn&#039;t a superstar, he is a good fit on the team with his versatility.

2. One reliever&#039;s contributiuon is not that much; good relievers like Hideki Okajima  Heath Bell, and Will Ohman were worth aroud 1 WAR each last season. Mariano Rivera was worth 3.1 WAR last season, but I highly doubt Chris Perez would be that good some day. Yes, maybe Perez had the most upside in our RH reliever prospects, but I think the actual difference would be pretty small between Perez and other guys, say Todd.

3. The avg fastball velocity of Perez dropped about 2 mphs in this season. His top end velocity also dropped significantly. Given his command struggle with the velocity drop, I&#039;m afraid that there might a problem in his throwing arm.

There is an X factor: who is PTBNL. If it&#039;s Todd or Samuel, I would be pissed; if it&#039;s a grade C or lower prospect, I would like this trade more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, I like this trade.</p>
<p>1. Even with the loss to the Twins today, the Cards are only 1 game behind the Brewers(honestly I can&#8217;t believe this but it&#8217;s the truth) AND Carpenter looks healthy now. You have to take a chance when he can pitch. I think the odds are pretty high that next year he would go back to the DL and miss significant time. The team obviously needed some reinforcements; while DeRosa isn&#8217;t a superstar, he is a good fit on the team with his versatility.</p>
<p>2. One reliever&#8217;s contributiuon is not that much; good relievers like Hideki Okajima  Heath Bell, and Will Ohman were worth aroud 1 WAR each last season. Mariano Rivera was worth 3.1 WAR last season, but I highly doubt Chris Perez would be that good some day. Yes, maybe Perez had the most upside in our RH reliever prospects, but I think the actual difference would be pretty small between Perez and other guys, say Todd.</p>
<p>3. The avg fastball velocity of Perez dropped about 2 mphs in this season. His top end velocity also dropped significantly. Given his command struggle with the velocity drop, I&#8217;m afraid that there might a problem in his throwing arm.</p>
<p>There is an X factor: who is PTBNL. If it&#8217;s Todd or Samuel, I would be pissed; if it&#8217;s a grade C or lower prospect, I would like this trade more.</p>
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		<title>By: RunSup</title>
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		<dc:creator>RunSup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the deal.  The Cardinals have plenty of options to replace Perez now and in the future, including Jess Todd.

Perez&#039; ankle was bothersome in the off season and through spring.  Surgery is a distinct possibility.   He still has trouble finding his control.   Yes he is a potential closer prospect, But  I&#039;m not at all confident he will reach his peak.

Kudos that Mo/Lunhow were finally were willing to trade from prospect strength to help the big club now.  The deal makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the deal.  The Cardinals have plenty of options to replace Perez now and in the future, including Jess Todd.</p>
<p>Perez&#8217; ankle was bothersome in the off season and through spring.  Surgery is a distinct possibility.   He still has trouble finding his control.   Yes he is a potential closer prospect, But  I&#8217;m not at all confident he will reach his peak.</p>
<p>Kudos that Mo/Lunhow were finally were willing to trade from prospect strength to help the big club now.  The deal makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Snayke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snayke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Perez was an overrated prospect with serious control issues and the Cardinals got equal value for him. Unless he was packaged to acquire Holliday, nobody was going to fork over a core player for him. 

And the Cardinals think so highly of him that he&#039;s pitched while the team was ahead twice this month. Both times the Cardinals were leading 10-4. 

If the team needs a RH reliever next season, put some names in a hat and pull one out. Bam. They&#039;ve just compensated for Chris Perez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Perez was an overrated prospect with serious control issues and the Cardinals got equal value for him. Unless he was packaged to acquire Holliday, nobody was going to fork over a core player for him. </p>
<p>And the Cardinals think so highly of him that he&#8217;s pitched while the team was ahead twice this month. Both times the Cardinals were leading 10-4. </p>
<p>If the team needs a RH reliever next season, put some names in a hat and pull one out. Bam. They&#8217;ve just compensated for Chris Perez.</p>
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		<title>By: VolsnCards5</title>
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		<dc:creator>VolsnCards5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>last pitcher we traded to cleveland ended up having tommy john surgery...with perez&#039;s drop in velocity, it would not completely surprise me if he was hurt...hope for his sake i&#039;m wrong...i always like YP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last pitcher we traded to cleveland ended up having tommy john surgery&#8230;with perez&#8217;s drop in velocity, it would not completely surprise me if he was hurt&#8230;hope for his sake i&#8217;m wrong&#8230;i always like YP</p>
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		<title>By: Redbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice comment Eric... Thanks...lol. I&#039;ll bet your not one of the people either that look at the Dan Harin trade as idiotic either. This is a dumb move period end of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice comment Eric&#8230; Thanks&#8230;lol. I&#8217;ll bet your not one of the people either that look at the Dan Harin trade as idiotic either. This is a dumb move period end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd 2 years away? He was up in St. Louis not that long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd 2 years away? He was up in St. Louis not that long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: GDM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if Tony keeps using DeRo as a left fielder, this trade makes even less sense. i hate to see YP go, i think he&#039;ll be a great closer for the Tribe soon. sadly Dunk just f&#039;ed with him too much for him to be successful as a Cardinal. 

and if they really did give up Todd or Samuel, MO isn&#039;t half the GM he keeps telling everyone he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if Tony keeps using DeRo as a left fielder, this trade makes even less sense. i hate to see YP go, i think he&#8217;ll be a great closer for the Tribe soon. sadly Dunk just f&#8217;ed with him too much for him to be successful as a Cardinal. </p>
<p>and if they really did give up Todd or Samuel, MO isn&#8217;t half the GM he keeps telling everyone he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbird, the only argument I&#039;ve seen from you about DeRosa is that outside of the past 3 years, he didn&#039;t have power, as if the past 3 years has nothing to do with the player he is now; and also that DeRosa is only hitting 20 points higher in batting avg than Duncan, as if batting average comes close to telling what kind of production they bring offensively.  Those are weak arguments at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbird, the only argument I&#8217;ve seen from you about DeRosa is that outside of the past 3 years, he didn&#8217;t have power, as if the past 3 years has nothing to do with the player he is now; and also that DeRosa is only hitting 20 points higher in batting avg than Duncan, as if batting average comes close to telling what kind of production they bring offensively.  Those are weak arguments at best.</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>enjoying the conversation w/ yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enjoying the conversation w/ yourself?</p>
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