The Cardinals have certainly been busier this season than any in recent memory. They’ve made trades to augment a club that they feel has both a legitimate shot at going to the plays and going deep.  The recent trades (DeRosa, Duncan, Holliday) have all seen the acquisition of veteran players to fill holes in a lineup decimated by injuries and ineptitude.  The philosophical undertones and impact on the farm system are important but not easy to dissect.  What follows is my best attempt to show what this trade means for a) individual players, b) individual prospects, c) the organization and d) the fans.

A. Individual Players

1). Matt Holliday – Removed from the friendly confines of Coors and thrust into the chasm that is the Oakland A’s Colliseum, Holliday has seen his offensive production decrease during his year prior to free agency.  He did not enjoy hitting in the Colliseum, which depresses runs with increased foul room as well as sheer size of field, and I’ve now heard it cited by several media members (Kurkijan, Stark) that he was uncomfortable being “the man” on the A’s team surrounded by much younger players.  St. Louis offers him a chance to play in a great baseball city and revitalize his image as a impact hitter.  Larry Walker repeatedly told his former Rockies teammates that he wished they all had a chance to play in a town like St. Louis someday.  Matt Holliday took that to heart.  For those of you who put a lot of emphasis on a player’s comfort level impacting their playing ability, look for Holliday to rebound.

2). Albert Pujols – The impact of this trade on Pujols is likely to be overstated greatly during the next few weeks.  It does increase the Cardinals leverage in terms of PR to say that they’re doing what they can to put a winning team around him.  Does this change the dollars needed to sign him?  Not really.  Should we be surprised if Albert was for this trade? No.

3). Rick Ankiel – Who knows. TLR still feels a great deal of angst over Rick’s career and obviously has a softspot (blindspot?) when it comes to Ankiel’s ability.  Rick should be relegated to 4th outfielder status and play once or twice a week.  That probably won’t happen sadly.  It also seems to make an contract for next year more likely.  The club is committed to Schumaker at 2nd.  Chris Duncan is gone.  Daryl Jones isn’t ready and Rick is a TLR favorite.  With his depressed value due to . . . well, being a terrible hitter this year, a one year contract is not outside the realm of possibility.

4). Joel Pineiro – This trade is likely the death of any Pineiro extension.  An extension was unlikely given the commitments to Carpenter, Wainwright and Lohse but now it’s almost completely implausible.

B). Individual Prospects

1). Shelby Miller – Welcome to the Cardinals! If ever there was a clearer indication that the Cardinals plan on signing Miller, this trade is it.  The fact that there haven’t been any negotiations to date should really be interpreted as a positive sign.  It means the Cardinals are aware he’s going to require overslot and they’re not going to bother screwing around with slot money so they’ll wait till August 17th-ish to wrap this up.  Miller instantly becomes a clear top 3 prospect and, depending on your ranking proclivities, potentially the number 1 prospect.  The Cardinals need to restock the farm system and (as BJM points out in the comments) they’re going to have a ton of potential picks next year in the early rounds.  Expect them to acquire the talent they already have exclusive rights to and look toward rebuilding the system.

2). Jaime Garcia – With two open rotation spots next year and the unlikely hood of Pineiro returning, Garcia likely has a clear shot at the #4 starters slot.  I also contend that the club is much more optimistic about his rehab than they’ve indicated (short of Mozeliak’s most recent comments on his rehab) and that they expect Garcia to be a cost controlled player in the very near future.

3). Fringe prospects – Players like Adam Ottavino, Tyler Greene, Nick Stavinoha, etc. can probably breathe a big sigh of relief.  The Cardinals just moved 2 guys likely to need 40 man roster spots next year and another player who may have been due a 40-man roster spot as well in another year.

4). Daryl Jones – Suddenly there aren’t a bunch of left-handed hitters in his way.  The collapse of Chris Duncan and Rick Ankiel has been nothing short of epic.  They both went from useful-not-quite-everyday-players to unequivocal dead weight seemingly overnight.  The Cardinals now have two outfielders who are right handed power houses and Colby Rasmus who has solidified his position on the active roster if not quite his role on the team.  If Jones can get healthy and start to hit again, he could get himself in line for some reserve duty over the course of next year with the potential for more in 2011.  Tyler Henley and Jon Jay should be likewise pleased.

5). Pete Kozma – The Cardinals need their 2007 first round pick to step it up.  Where once you could overlook his development amisdt guys like Wallace, now he needs to become a major league SS in the next 2 years.  I’m not sure how much I can stress this but Kozma should be the focal point of attention with Daryl Jones among position players.  Yes; that does worry me a bit.

6). Brett Wallace – Needed clearer signs that the Cardinals don’t think he’s a 3rd baseman?  Here you go.  The Cardinals have been awar of Wallace’s defensive shortcomings and despite all the ruckus about “overcoming it with the bat” and having “trimmed up” before the Futures Game, he was not going to be competent at the hot corner.  Wallace was out of shape (beyond simply having a bigger build) and his mobility and range at third were still abominable.  Projections for him to be a league average player by next year are optimistic given the hiccups he’s had in the minors.  Personally, I don’t think Wallace is the impact player that everyone thinks he is and maybe not even the impact hitter.  Did the Cardinals recoup full value by trading him for 2 months of Matt Holliday?  Probably not.  It’s not the player I would have targeted but Wallace had to be moved and soon before teams realized that the Cardinals never had an intention of playing him at 3rd in the long term.  Regardless of the monetary valuations, this isn’t the crippling loss that it’s being made out to be.

7). Clayton Mortensen – I don’t have much insight as to why he was part of this deal or if it speaks to any teams impression of him.  I’m more perturbed by the loss of Mortensen than Wallace.  Wallace didn’t have a place in STL to me but Mortensen clearly does.  He’s the best long term pitching prospect in the system this side of a healthy Garcia.  With an improved changeup to fend off lefties and a natural sinking fastball, he had the makings of a nice middle of the rotation pitcher.  He doesn’t have the diversity of weapons of a Carpenter or Wainwright but there are similarities there for me and tutelage under those two (and Dave Duncan) seemed like a match made in heaven.

C). The Organization

1). Tony La Russa – He got his man.  Have no doubt that he lobbied and lobbied hard for this trade.  He and Dave Duncan do not like the talent level of the prospects in the upper minors and wanted a “proven veteran” badly.  TLR was very upset about the Chris Duncan trade.  He was vocal about his displeasure within the organization and to DeWitt directly.  He became the 800lb gorilla in the room after Duncan’s trade.  The Holliday trade was, in part, a concession to TLR. (Note that I only said in part.  That’s not the total reason for the trade.) Expect TLR and compatriot Dave Duncan to continue coaching on the Cardinals team into next year and beyond.

2). John Mozeliak – After asserting himself in the Duncan trade, Mozeliak was the conduit for making a trade that was deemed too high a cost 6th months ago.  Mozeliak isn’t a spineless GM; he’s one who simply isn’t given full autonomy by Bill DeWitt.  DeWitt maintains a presence in many of the high level decisions and TLR has the ability to get his attention at times.  If you don’t like this trade, fault DeWitt and Tony rather than Mozeliak.

3). Jeff Luhnow – The St. Louis media has done a good job of painting Luhnow as a caricature.  He is protector of the fabrege eggs and won’t let his prospects go for anything.  Hopefully, the Post-Dispatch scribes take note of this season and stop with the generalizations because they’re false. Luhnow’s goal was and always has been to restock the farm system in order to support the big league club.  At times that means promoting talented players to the majors and other times that means trades.  The farm system was never in a position to make this kind of trade previously.  It is now because Luhnow and others have done a remarkable job with their drafts.  It once again shows how little personalities like Bernie Miklasz and Joe Strauss know about prospects. After carping that they were overrated for years, suddenly they’re netting big fish that these guys like.  But I digress.  Luhnow’s mission hasn’t changed and this isn’t the dramatic shift in organizational thinking that it may seem to be.  It’s a step back for the farm system so that the Cardinals can take a step forward at a time when some within the org believe they have a chance to win it all.

4). Bill DeWitt – That’s a lot of dry powder for this season.  Scaling back payroll after doomsday predictions with attendance numbers, DeWitt has opened the coffers with the realization that St. Louis folks are still going to go to ballgames this year.  Some of this is DeWitt paying a bit extra for a specific player but some of it is also just returning payroll to previous season’s levels.  The real question (and this is one no one has an answer to as of yet) is what he’s willing to do moving forward.  If they lock up Matt Holliday to an extension, payroll will need to rise.  Albert Pujols looms large with his next payday.  DeWitt will decide if this season is a random spike or a real increase in near term spending. Having exclusive negotiating rights to Matt Holliday and Mark DeRosa for a while is a small but not compeltely insiginificant asset if they want to retain them for the future.

D). The Fans

1). The Future – The farm system just took a solid punch to the midsection. We showed a good chin when Chris Perez was moved but then we ducked when we should have leaned back.  Luhnow has shown the ability to turn the farm system around in a very short period of time.  That said, we should brace ourselves for more conservative drafts unless a special talent drops to us in the first round.

2). The Present – Live it up!  This is going to be an incredible ballclub to watch for the rest of 2009.  In the advent of the internet, VEB and Future Redbirds, we’ve all become mini-GMs trying to manage the present as well as the future.  The best part of being a fan for me before I became attached toFuture Redbirds was the ability of baseball to bring me back to the present.  Are we in first place today?  Freaking fantastic!  Enjoy it.  Albert Pujols, Matt Holliday and Ryan Ludwick are not the MV3 (Scott Rolen and Jim Edmonds are better than you remember) but they will make for a great offensive core.  Players like Rasmus, Molina, DeRosa and Schumaker fill out the offense with viable hitters.  The defense of Rasmus, Molina, Brendan Ryan and Albert Pujols is a joy to watch.  The lineup still isn’t AL East deep but it’s puts the Cardinals in the first tier of NL teams.  So my advice is to take a breath, stop worrying about what’s going to happen this offseason and go rub this trade in a Cubs fan’s face.

As for the trade itself, I’m obviously dealing with the dueling algorithms of the last two points.  I don’t think that the trade is as devestating as many are portraying it. It’s about time the Cardinals displayed their financial stability and might in the NL.  Brett Wallace isn’t a huge loss for me as a prospect watcher but I wish the Cardinals would have pushed to land a bigger fish at the point they were willing to move him.  Matt Holliday is better than his Oakland numbers but not as good as his Coors numbers.  The Cardinals gave up some of the future to leverage the present.  They’re able to do that because they’ve gotten better at drafting.  The Braves used to do this on a routine basis and stay in contention and have a great minor league system.  It’s not impossible to do. Am I concerned about 2010-2012?  Sure. But my excitement about 2009 does a lot to balance that out.

Just one last passing thought.  Wouldn’t it be crazy if this trade turns out like the Mulder one in terms of the prospects? If Brett Wallace goes the way of Daric Barton and Clayton Mortensen turns out to be the best prospect acquired. . . Just a thought. Prospects are fickle things.

28 Responses to “Matt Holliday: A Tangled Web”
  1. J.B. says:

    Would you mind expanding your thoughts as to how this deal solidifies the signing of Shelby Miller? Wouldn’t the additional payroll being devoted towards DeRosa and Holliday theoretically eat into the size of the bonus they can offer to Miller?

    • azruavatar says:

      The Cardinals have removed the only unquestionable blue chip prospect in the system. They’ll have to replenish that somehow. Next year will be a prime opportunity to do so but right now the Cardinals NEED Shelby Miller in their system. The Cardinals usually differentiate between their drafting budget and their STL payroll so, while it’s possible that those interact, I don’t think that’s the case.

      I truly believe that the Cardinals will sign Miller to a deal on the 17th. The system is too barren now to let a talent like that walk.

  2. Mike says:

    Excellent post, AZ. You’ve done an admirable job capturing both the angst and joy many Cards fans are feeling–at least the ones who follow the DFRs and the minors.

    I was disappointed that you didn’t mention anything about Holliday taking Edmonds’ number, as that seemed to be the major point of the trade on Strauss’ mind. /saracasm

    I will admit that I, too, was more worried about the inclusion of Mortenson than Wallace. Like everyone else around here, I’ll be following Garcia’s rehab with even more interest…..

    • azruavatar says:

      Was unware of the number assigned. . . that doesn’t please me at all given how quickly it got doled out. I don’t think that number ever gets retired in STL but it certainly deserved some time to itself.

  3. Jon says:

    Great analysis Azruavatar! I agree with you on just about all your points.

  4. RunSup says:

    Nice article, AZ.

    Repeating my response to Erik’s article here:

    The Time is Now. Opportunities to get to and win a World Series are rare. Players like Albert Pujols are rare and magical. You have the best player in Cardinal history in his prime now. You have a chance to win now. You have to go for it now. You do not wait the 2 years its going to take Wallace to find his feet in the majors.

    Next move: Empty the rest of the farm system for Halladay. Sieze the day!

  5. JC says:

    AZ – You did a great job laying this out from multiple angles. The only statement I do not agree with is Wallace being an impact hitter. I think if he can focus on a DH or 1B role and just becoming a hitter then he will hit…and hit alot. He will have a high avg and the kicker is I believer he WILL be a power hitter. I see 30+HR guy in his prime and a doubles machine.

    I as well am conflicted…but I think our MLB team right now looks GREAT! Props to Mo and DeWitt for making these big and tough deals (especially the Duncan trade…if I could have been a fly on the wall…WOW). Also I thought it would take 1 more mid-level prospect in this trade to get Holliday so the price was less than I thought so that is good. Wallace is now going to his childhood team and have a chance to play 1B and/or DH. I wish him the best and pray we can get Holliday and/or DeRosa signed to a deal in the offseason (even if it is for a 1 year deal)…that would make it easier to swallow the amount of talent we shipped of this year.

    GO CARDS!

  6. Easy says:

    Excellent analysis. I agree with almost all of it but will quibble about Mort. I just don’t see him having a long career and I suspect he’s fallen behind Lynn and Garcia (assuming they’re not in the PTBNL pool) in the Cardinals’ future rotation plans. I’ll also quibble about Kozma’s importance as I don’t think he’ll ever be as good as Ryan is now.
    To give the whole thing a little more optimistic slant Mo has seemed to have more of an eye to the future than Walt did. I think it’s possible that he thinks the funds are there to resign DeRosa and Holliday. With Ryan and Schu playing like major league middle infielders that leaves no gaps in the starting lineup to fill. There are still some good prospects left in Descalso, Jones, Lynn, Garcia, Miller and the passel of relievers and, as you point out, Luhnow has shown he can restock a system quickly. In short I’m hoping that Mo and the FO see this as a good move for the short term future as well as for this season. As for the guys we lost I think that, in a year or two, we’ll mourn Perez’s loss and possibly the PTBNL, more than we will anyone in this trade.

  7. Sportsman says:

    I was pretty down on the holliday and dero trades iniitally for a variety of reasons, but mostly because if you are going all in, then you need to go all in, ie, win the ws, and i thought halladay was the guy for that. for me, we don’t have the pitching to win the 7 games series and these short series usually boil down to pitching. a little worried about lohse, carp, and a&w, but more worried about the pen. kmac has not done well lately and neither has porkchop (sad he is on a 2 year deal). i am kind of surprised they have not looked more closely at bj ryan, but i guess he has dropped out of sight for many teams. interesting to see if mo does one more such as rick-dick for a set up man.

  8. cdb says:

    Thanks AZ,

    I wish you would have presented this point of view yesterday at VEB – the vitriol!!! This is balanced, well thought, and well presented. Very much appreciated.

  9. azruavatar says:

    Also, kudos to Bernie for acknowledging that Luhnow was right about the prospects. We’ve been saying this for a while now. Good to see it get traction in the PD.

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/berniemiklasz/story/F3F084A78631F879862575FE000BC476?OpenDocument

  10. fpslackers says:

    Let’s also not forget another very important player this trade affects: Troy Glaus. With Holliday and DeRosa taking the two spots where we may have seen Glaus return, it seems even more likely than before that he is going to be traded. You can already see the Glaus rumors starting to crop up. I don’t think we can get a big haul for 2 months of Glaus, but maybe a decent prospect which would help with the loss of prospects in the DeRosa, Holliday deals.
    Some may want to see Glaus walk and us offer him arbitration but I don’t think that will happen. It looks like he won’t be playing 3B anymore so if we offer it and he accepts, then we’re stuck with a player we can’t use. Moreover, Glaus may not be able to get a long term deal coming off shoulder problems. And after being injured this year, he may not rank as highly in Elias’ rankings as we might hope. A trade almost seems to be a better route to go, especially getting a given quantity.
    I could see us getting a player of around Mort’s value in return for Glaus, possibly more if he starts heating up on his rehab assignment. Given we weren’t really ever expecting anything from Glaus, that would make the Holliday trade look even better.

  11. bigchieftootiemontana says:

    Yeah you right AZ ! Kinda scary how much you agree with my thoughts on this deal.
    Seriously, Mort could very well turn out to be the best player the Cardinals traded to Oakland in this deal. I think Wallace will wind up being a better DH than Daric Barton but have some doubts as to how long and productive his career will be.

    thanks for taking the time to post

  12. Donald Gooch says:

    Wallace may not have been able to play 3rd, but I’m pretty sure he could play Left. And as much as I want to think less of him now that he is gone, the fact is that Wallace was the best hitting prospect in the draft when we took him. He jumped all the way to AAA in his first season of minor league ball and, with a few hiccups, put up very credible numbers offensively. He was an all-star hitter in college, pulling down the triple crown. Now, I wasn’t as convinced as some were regarding his power…but Wallace can hit. He is going to hit. Is he a future All-Star offensively? I think so. Wallace was a huge loss from our farm system…and I just don’t think there’s any way around that. D.GOOCH

  13. erik says:

    Good stuff AZ.

    I keep hearing this appease TLR thing and I really don’t get it. I have this love/hate thing with LaRussa. He’s probably deservedly a hall of fame manager, but 13 pitchers, endless lineup fiddling, somewhat of a sour and gruff personality. He’s better with young player than I think some give him credit for, but I just don’t see why moves need to be made for to keep any manager happy and willing to stay in the stable. .

  14. Rob says:

    I don’t really understand the rational behind saying the move was to appease tlr after sending duncan away. Doesn’t it make more sense that the holliday deal was almost done and they needed room on the roster? Anyway, I don’t think it will be as financially crippling as some people make it out to be. Pujols will be signed regardless of what we owe other players, his value in relation to anything he will be paid is astronomical. He brings in revenue by himself. The extra revenue from a playoff push the next few years will help ease the burden of an increased payroll. We have only a few years of a healthy productive carpenter and pujols left, take advantage. Win now, who cares about 2012.

  15. Rob says:

    Sorry to double post, but another thing I don’t get, is Where this idea that wallace could not have been a decent defensive third basemen in stl. Granted I only got to watch him a short period of time in springfield but he handled himself well, and was known as an above average fielder in college, anyone know how hard a ball comes off an aluminum bat at the hot corner? He moved well and didn’t “throw like a girl” I’ve seen him make many above average plays. We also forget that he was moved from 1b in college to fill a team need, so he was far from polished.

  16. BigJawnMize says:

    AZ

    I agree–I am more concerned that Mort comes back to haunt us. Wallace is an everyday player in some fashion, I was just concerned he would become Kotchman-type player instead of a Glaus-type.

  17. Bob says:

    I think its fairly certain that the cash that the cards are getting from the A’s is going to be used on miller.

  18. Dan says:

    Other Impacts:

    It seems like this trade will also have an important impact on few other players.

    Colby Rasmus: what happens with his playing time going forward if TLR keeps sticking with Ankiel? Hopefully Colby still gets ample time.

    David Freese/Allen Craig: It looked like Wallace was the 3B of the future, but someone else has to fill those shoes now especially if we re-sign Holliday there isn’t much money for a 3B. Freese needs to get healthy and Craig probably isn’t going to be at 3rd for the same reasons Wallace wasn’t going to work there.

  19. Andrew says:

    The more I think about this the more I like this trade why? It looks like this team has its spirit back. Despite being in 1st most of the year you should sense that the players were just waiting for things to fall apart like it did last year and the year before. This shows the team that management is committed to them winning. This more than the money that we save with a cost controlled Wallace will help keep Albert in STl for life. He wants to play for a winner and a team that competes year in year out. I also have a feeling Holliday is going to fall in love with STL and resign here to a mid range deal.

  20. MlbFan09 says:

    I find it very suspicious, that just a week ago everyones high on wallace as a future 3b and untouchable suddenly he gets traded and his talents are downgraded and labeled as a 1b/DH. Is it the true feeling of fans wanting him to fail or do not just as good or trying to jusify the trade from the cardinals side? Considering he was ranked the #1 cards prospect, still around top 20 overall by BA, even top 10 by Law…thats elite prospect territory no matter where he plays.

    • azruavatar says:

      I don’t think anyone’s doing that and I hope that’s not the impression I’m giving. I’ve never been convinced he was going to stick at 3B and there’s a lot of varying opinions on that still. I think he’s been underwhelming in his Memphis debut despite being solid. For the “best hitter in the draft” you’d like to see more although a couple months shouldn’t completely revise opinions of him. I think he may have been a little overhyped in the Cardinals system but as I said in reply to other comments he was, without doubt, a blue chip prospect.

  21. Casey says:

    This is fantastic coverage and analysis!!!! I thank you as a devoted Cardinal fan!!!

  22. Illinoiscardsfan says:

    A very enjoyable read all the way around. Offensively, after two games, Mo looks like a genius. Would have rather had Halliday, but I don’t think our system had the pitching that Toronto was looking for to pull off that deal.

  23. Bob says:

    Smart, thorough overview, azru.

    Thanks!

  24. Blaise says:

    az,

    After reading FutureRedbirds and VEV as my daily 1-2 Cards info-gulp for the past four years without commenting, I am convinced that you are the #1 author out there with a brain for the numbers and a heart for the bombers. Keep it up. Please.

  25. siddfynch says:

    I’ll add my compliments here – nicely summarized. Just got in from 4 days away and salivating over all the news. This article was a great start.

    Now I have to go find out who Duncan got traded for. Bumgarner, I hope.

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