I won’t try to hold you in suspense till the offseason. Shelby Miller will be the #1 prospect here and in every major publication you read (BA, BP, Law, etc). There’s several contenders but they’re all flawed or just as unknown.
- Jaime Garcia – The upside isn’t quite what you want in a #1 and despite his sterling performance to date, there will be questions about his health for the next several years now.
- Daryl Jones – Injuries have plagued him all season leading to questions surrounding his overall talent level and power projection.
- Wagner Mateo – The one player who can match Shelby on upside is the one player we know even less about.
- Island of Misfit Toys – Daniel Descalso, Eduardo Sanchez, Lance Lynn, Bryan Anderson . . . they all suffer from either Garcia or Jones syndrome above. It’s still a nice collection of mid-level prospects but nothing here to challenge for the #1 spot.
So expect Miller to take over the #1 ranking. Regardless of what he’s ranked or what deragatory remarks that incites from the STL P-D scribes about laying a new egg, the real question is what the Cardinals have just signed in Shelby Miller.
At 94 mph, he tied for the highest velocity recorded at last summer’s Area Code Games, and he has touched 96 this spring. He usually pitches at 92-93 mph, but his fastball has more than just velocity. Miller spins a solid curve that will be a plus pitch when he commands it more consistently. He has made strides with his changeup as well. He has sound mechanics and arm action, and a blue-collar work ethic. He’s a good athlete who also starred in football.
The Good: He’s that classic big and strong Texas-based prep right-hander, with a fastball that consistently gets up to 97 mph, and he has a nasty mound demeanor to boot. His arm action is clean, and he gets tremendous leverage from his power frame.
The Bad: He’s more of a thrower than a pitcher right now, his curveball is inconsistent, and his changeup is rarely seen.
In A Perfect World He Becomes: A dominating power arm, but if the secondary stuff never catches up to the velocity, he could end up as a one-pitch guy.
Keith Law (scouting one of Miller’s games):
Miller’s first three fastballs came in at 94, 94 and 96 mph. He pitched at 92-94 most of the day with the occasional 95 and showed outstanding sink on the pitch. His curveball was inconsistent; he threw it at 76-78 mph, showing the ability to get good depth and a slight two-plane break on the pitch, but he bounced several and pitched mostly off his fastball instead. His fastball command was also poor; he got some generous calls from the home plate ump and the opposing hitters weren’t able to catch up with his stuff. His frame is just what you want in a pitcher — 6-foot-3 or 6-4, strong for his age, with some room left to fill out.
The Cardinals selected a live, raw arm the likes of which haven’t been seen in the system since Rick Ankiel. The upside is huge as is the downside. The Cardinals will have to refine his curveball, improve his command and teach him a changeup. The first shouldn’t be an issue. The second has been a problem for the organization and the third gives me pause for concern. The organization has reportedly just acquired a hugely talented kid with a good work ethic, the developmental responsibility is now both theirs and Shelby’s to see this through to the majors.
It’s a lot of stuff to work on for a kid who is 18 and just became a multi-millionare. Good work ethic or not there are a lot of pitfalls between draft pick #19 and major league starter and Shelby will have to run the gauntlet. He’s the new face of the farm system and probably will be for the next 3 years. If he’s not the top prospect entering 2012, something has either gone horribly wrong or wonderfully right.

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how successful can attempts to teach ‘control’ be? Is this a skill that develops with time/age? Is poor control typically the results of an irreproducible delivery? A lack of control can sink a live arm pretty quickly…. how confident can we be that this is a fixable problem?
Eduardo Sanchez, is there a knock on him other than being young without a long track record? Awesome stuff with control. He isn’t a big guy but who cares when he throws that hard. My biggest concern is that Sanchez is on the PTBNL list for the Lugo trade. Given that Boston ate the entire contract over league minimum, they must have gotten something of value more than C. Duncan … one would think.
Goldstein on Chambers:
“Sleeper Alert
Adron Chambers, OF, Cardinals (High-A Palm Beach)
Monday’s stats: 2-for-4, 2B, 3 RBI
Despite hitting just .238 in his full-season debut last year at Low-A Quad Cities, scouts couldn’t help but to at least be intrigued by Chambers’ raw tools. Raw was the key word here, but clearly something has started to click, as Chambers is batting .324 since the All-Star break and .294/.375/.414 overall. With 15 triples, 20 stolen bases and a solid walk rate, he’s gone from intriguing to a guy some see as a future bench outfielder, or maybe even second division starter.”
I think Roman did a prospect SAT on twitter for Chambers
Chambers: Pierre: Nyjer Morgan.
AZ, I am not necessarily arguing over your choice, but it seems that your write up was unnecessarily negative toward Garcia, Jones and Mateo. I am not sure who I would put at #1, but right now I lean to Garcia base upon what he was before his injury and what he has done so far on rehab, and Miller’s inexperience. Last point, if you are going with the inexperienced Miller over Garcia and Jones for the reasons of upside with Miller and the negatives you point out with Garcia and Jones, then doesn’t it logically play out that you should have Mateo as #2 over Garcia and Jones for the same reasons?
The list wasn’t intended to be numbers 2-? after Miller. It was just Miller is number one and here’s the guys who aren’t. Imagine those are simply bullet points.
Exciting news on Miller and our farm system suddenly looks more exciting for the first time since the trades. Does anyone know where and when Miller will start out in the minors?
Will Shelby Miller pitch at all this year, or will we have to wait til next year? P.S. What the heck happened last night when Pinella came out of the dugout, motioned like he wanted a righty, and then just went back into the dugout?
via @JoeStrauss in PD “Moz. left open the possibility of Miller making his professional debut before… next month.” Same question as Jws003… Where? Johnson City’s season ends September 1. Batavia’s last game is September 6th.
I agree 100% on that everyone will list Miller as the new #1 prospect. I’m sure that Luhnow and co will somewhat promote him as the new posterboard for the player development system; and rightfully so. There’s always an aura to the big, flamethrowing Texas righthander and I’m sure the media and management will take that portrayal and run with it.
Hopefully, Miller can handle the attention/publicity that comes with that and not allow that to affect his play. By all accounts (good info from publications az) he’s a level-headed kid who has the drive to get the best out of his potential. Here’s to hoping that he can live up to the hype.
It will be interesting to see how he adapts and performs to pro ball, as with Mateo. The upside is huge, it IS what this organization has been lacking for too many years (excluding only a few exceptions) and it proves at least to me that the Cardinal organization is commiting itself to a winning environment, both on the big club and in player development.
Luhnow did an interview on local radio and in it he said that Miller would probably go to QC this year because they have the longest season and that is where he would likely start next year. They want him to get his feet wet and get acclimated to pro ball before the season is out. Luhnow also said that he could see Miller in the bigs in three years.
jjray – Don’t think there was a PTBNL in that deal. It was Duncan for Lugo, straight up. They just really wanted to get rid of him, and we all know money isn’t a big issue for the Red Sox anyway.
Derrick Goold was on 101.1 last night, and he said that Miller may get sent to QC for the rest of the season, but not be on the active roster. He said the plan might be to let him get acclimated to the atmosphere there, and then have him start there next season.
Grant–I think the Lugo deal did include a PTBNL or “cash considerations”. So, jjray, I wouldn’t think that Sanchez is the PTBNL. I think I only have seen “cash considerations” involved with lower-tier prospects. I suppose they could send Boston some money (like they need it) and call it good.
You do realize Hawksworth won’t have enough innings to keep him off the prospect list (under last year’s criteria), right?
KLaw likes DJ over Miller as #1 prospect … per his chat today.
wow — I’ll have to read that. I’m truly shocked.
I think the Cardinals should give Chris Carpenter $1M to take Miller under his wing for the summer. Let Miller live with him, work out with him, throw with him, talk pitching with him. Have Carp watch Miller throw over the winter and give him any pointers he sees fit. They should also do what The Cubs did will Miller all those years ago…make him throw a certain number of changeups per start, results be damned at first…I don’t know what the best number is, but he has to get a feel for that pitch
cubs did with maddux…not miller
I am Very Surprised that people on this board are off Ottavino. He is a top 10 guy in this system. i will take a 23 year old in 3A who is 92-96 and a good slider. yea his command is shakey but if he had good command he would have been in the big league 2 years ago. he has shown flashes and has had a better 2nd half.
I agree Ottavino has made giant strides in the last few months and has really put himself back on the map IMO
nmstar – You’re right. I just looked it up. It looks like the Red Sox get either a PTBNL or cash.
Aron (STL)
Klaw thanks for your time! So is Shelby Miller now vaulted up to the number 1 on the Cardinal’s Depleted Prospect list?
Keith Law
(3:45 PM)
Not over Daryl Jones.
BA Chat:
Sam (Missouri): Is Shelby Miller now the top prospect in the Cardinals Organization?
Jim Callis: Yes.
Can someone compare Miller to a pitcher with a similar scouting report that was drafted and turned out to be a top of the rotation starter?
I think it is awfully premature to consider Miller/Mateo in the top 5. Is Mateo that much better of a prospect than de la Cruz last year OR is he simply being considered because he is the flavor of the week. Nothing against him, but he probably won’t even see Palm Beach for 2+ years.
In Miller’s case, I would just hold off with the 2nd coming proclamations until he throws some professional pitches. Based on upside, he should certainly warrant top 10 consideration, but top 5/#1???? Not so fast.
I would prefer giving props to the guys that have actually performed. My list starts with Garcia, Jones, and Lynn. From there, Sanchez, Descalsco, and others can make their case.
One thing I know—the farm system is now not nearly as bleak as it was about a month ago.
nmstar. Good point and makes sense. We heard lots of chatter about the PTBNL in the DeRosa deal (i.e., who was on the list) before the selection was made. In this case, nothing. Must be a lower level pospect otherwise there would be a buzz.
Jones really hasn’t performed at all other than last year right?