The next five prospects include a few graybeards.  Players that have limited upsides but are close to, if not already, major league ready.  There’s not a lot of upside with this group but there’s not a lot of risk either.  Also, a 2009 draftee makes an appearance.

#10. Tyler Greene
Age – 26
Stats
Individual Rankings – azruavatar – 9, Jeff Roman – 12, erik – 10
Player Comments -

Tyler Greene deserves more pub for the season he had. A .390 wOBA at the shortstop position is nothing to sneeze at, even if he is 26 years old. He didn’t quite show it at the major league level, but he only had just a little over 100 at-bats to prove himself. I love his ability to steal bases, 34/37 attempts is great production. He doesn’t have the glove Ryan has (few do) but I think he may have finally blossomed into a productive player. I think he could hold down SS and not embarrass himself if need be, and he should prove to be a nifty utility infielder.-erik

I’ve always thought Ty Greene had a place at starting SS for the Cardinals before the emergence of Brendan Ryan. He can play and when Julio Lugo departs or gets injured, Greene will fill that role for the Cards. – Jeff Roman

#9. Robert Stock
Age – 20
Stats
Individual Rankings – azruavatar – 11, Jeff Roman – 10, erik – 9
Player Comments -

This ranking may be some trepidation from Bryan Anderson never quite developing in the fashion expected. It’s also relates to the fact that Stock hit miserably in 2009 in college.  I like Stock better as a pitcher and it’s somewhat consoling to know that there’s a viable fallback option if the bat doesn’t develop for him to sustain a career as a position player.-azruavatar

His upside is perceived to be a little higher than I think it actually is, but you don’t have to be Mike Piazza with the bat to have high value as a catcher. The good news is that Stock comes with a back-up plan. -erik

#8. Daniel Descalso
Age – 23
Stats
Individual Rankings – azruavatar – 12, Jeff Roman – 7, erik – 8
Player Comments -

We will need to see if he can match his strong 2009 with a 2010 to match, but he has a smooth stroke. – Jeff Roman

The power spike in Springfield looks aberrant to me.  If it is, we’re left with a contact hitting middle infielder with decent plate discipline.  Jarrett Hoffpauir and Jose Martinez are good names to remember when discussing that skillset at 2nd base.  The poor performance at Memphis and Arizona erased most of the dangerous infatuation with the Springfield statistics. -azruavatar

I don’t believe Descalso is Hoffpauir part 2, mostly because he’s has been about as good of a hitter at a younger age. And he plays an average second base, while Hoffpauir stinks. That being said, if his bat isn’t good enough to start, he might have a tough time latching on as a utility infielder, given he couldn’t play every infield position (SS) -erik

#7. David Freese
Age – 27
Stats
Individual Rankings – azruavatar – 10, Jeff Roman – 8, erik – 5
Player Comments -

With the recent DWI, Freese seems to have screwed up off the field to hurt his chances on the field again this season (not saying his auto accident last year was his fault, just saying it happened).  He could still end up the Cardinals starting 3B in 2010, but he rep has taken a huge hit both inside and outside the clubhouse.  He’s got lots to prove still, so hopefully he will come to Spring Training to earn the job. - Jeff Roman

Freese is very average, but very ready. For two years running, his minor league numbers tell us he could be around a two-win starting third baseman, something that has a lot of value. And for two years running, Freese has had different run-ins that involve a car, one at least we know involves alcohol. Freese’s own immaturity is all that is keeping him back now. -erik

#6. Allen Craig
Age – 25
Stats
Individual Rankings – azruavatar – 5, Jeff Roman – 6, erik – 7
Player Comments -

Craig might be the only player drafted by the Cardinals that hasn’t had the proverbial “lost season”.  There is no wait for him to rebound; he simply performs at the same caliber he always has.  Left field has some steep requirements relative to offensive production and that threshold likely keeps Craig from ever being elite at the position.  He’s a legitimate offensive threat with the best power production of anyone currently in the Cardinals’ minor league system. -azruavatar

As long as he keeps hitting and for power, he will be a great bench bat at the very least, with the possibility of being the latest 1B/3B/LF platoon player in 2010 and could grab a starting job going forward.  The Cards don’t have another viable power hitter in their system. – Jeff Roman

Scouts don’t seem particularly wowed with his skillset, and he’s limited to the wrong end of the defensive spectrum now, but all Craig does is hit, year in, year out. It’s like clockwork. Memphis was the test I was waiting to see Craig pass, and he did so with flying colors. He’s going to have to continue to improve with the bat to be an above average LF given the offensive requirements, but I would not bet against Craig at this point. -erik

26 Responses to “Future Redbirds 2010 Top 20: 6-10”
  1. cariocacardinal says:

    Pitching as a backup plan for Stock seems like a pipe dream. This season alone should assure him 3 more years as a catcher. By the time he converts he’ll be on his way out of team control.

  2. Lou Schuler says:

    Thanks for your continued great work, guys.

    Small quibble with this sentence:

    “Freese’s own immaturity is all that is keeping him back now.”

    His blood-alcohol content was close to 4x the legal limit for DWI. At the age of 27, is that a sign of immaturity, or of a very serious substance-abuse problem? It was his second alcohol-related offense, FWIW.

    I don’t know anything about the guy’s personal life, other than the arrest, but maybe this is why San Diego was willing to give him away for a washed-up Jim Edmonds. They certainly had better insight into the depth of Khalil Greene’s problems than they let on at the time of that trade. Could be a pattern, or it could be nothing.

  3. Gruntosaurus says:

    Agreed, Lou. I hope the franchise reacts aggressively — yet compassionately — to this episode, because “immaturity” isn’t the only thing that comes to mind when you hear about a blood-alcohol content that high. That said, DUI or even full-blown alcoholism in one’s past isn’t a kiss of death. Aggressive yet compassionate follow-up should still let Freese have a chance to reach his potential. Whether he does so is then up to him.

  4. Illinoiscardsfan says:

    I have not been following the minors long enough to make a judgement on this, but it seemed like it was a very down year for the Cardinals system? It does not seem like we had any players that made great strides (stats wise) in their development this year. Players in the top ten like Greene, Craig and Descalso may have made some incremental progress, but where are the bust outs? Is this normal? or am I expecting too much? I realize that just because a player puts up great stats in the minors does not mean he will ever make it to the majors, but I am some what puzzled over the fact that we do not seem to have any players that put up great stats this year.

  5. Clark says:

    Second alcohol related offense, wasn’t the first one public intoxication. The DWI is a big deal, but lumping it in with public intoxication is a bit of a stretch to consider Freese having an alcohol problem.

  6. Nick says:

    Clark – I agree with you. For the sake of accuracy, Freese’s BAC was .232 which is a little less than 3X the legal limit not 4X. Yes he was drunk but a DWI and a Public Intox do not equal a substance abuse problem. He is still only 27yrs old and while that is old in baseball prospect terms it is still young and immature in life terms. I was busy making mistakes and stupid decisions when I was that age. I am so tired of the sermonizing every time someone gets a DWI.

  7. abe froman says:

    Illinoiscardsfan,

    yes, it was a bit of a down year, but i dont think it was that bad under the circumstances. a lot of the trouble was due to player movement. some of top prospects graduated…rasmus, perez, motte, hawksworth. some moved on in trade…WALLACE, perez again, todd, gregerson (had a bit of break out for the pads), worrell, mortensen, peterson. perdomo was lost for nothing. daryl jones, bryan anderson, david freese and jaime garcia all battled injuries. shelby miller signed late and didnt get many innings. this type of stuff happens. farm system strength tends to go in cycles. good teams are able to shorten the amount of time from trough to crest.

  8. Easy says:

    I’ve been a very strong supporter of giving Freese first crack at 3b but I agree that my enthusiasm’s been tempered by these revelations. Sounds like he’s got some kind of problem and tackling it and learning to face major league pitching and criticism at the same time doesn’t bode well. I hope this program they’ve put him in is legit and that they demand that players get their act together. He’s got a good chance at the show and big time money and, if that doesn’t motivate him to toe the line he’s a lost cause. If it does then I still hope he gets his shot.
    Good list. Not hard to guess the top five.

  9. kelley says:

    How in the world do you insert players on a list of top prospects who have shown nothing since they have been drafted to warrant such a placement. I think that Craig is the best prospect on this list and Descalso next ….these guys have worked hard and shown that they deserve to be on this list. I can’t see that Stock has done anything except be able to play two positions at an average level. I have read reports that Stock has average defensive skills as catcher…throws a little above average….and hits average, but he shows up as a top ten prospect. What am I missing here?

  10. tom s. says:

    kelley — they explain their votes underneath each player’s listing. if you don’t understand why freese and greene are listed here, well, they point out that freese looks like a two-win third baseman and that greene had a fantastic 2009 at AAA.

    the stock question is more challenging and more subjective. but there’s nothing wrong with ranking someone high on the basis of their potential. stock has the potential to be a decent defensive catcher with a good bat, and has as a fallback a career pitching with a high-90′s fastball. either of those skillsets would make him a real prospect. both together make him a top 10 prospect, at least in a depleted system like this one.

  11. Lou Schuler says:

    Nick, you’re right. My math skills are remedial even on a good day.

    If Freese needs help, I sure hope he gets whatever he needs and is able to play up to his potential.

  12. Nick says:

    Lou – I agree with you on him getting help if he needs it. The thing to remember is that Freese is still only 27yrs old in life. I’m sure we all wish we could have back some of the choices/decisions we made at that age.

  13. StuMiller says:

    I would say that Freese bac is not that bad… just means he was at the club drinking and did some shots in the last hour before leaving… If the guy was drunk in public at the teams hotel lobby now thats a little bother some… Was he celebrating a good game that night or was it at 12 in the afternoon and he got drunk in the morning… Being a drunk depends on the situations. If he was drun at 12 noon before an afternoon game or evening game that would indicate a problem. However he was drinking after the evening game at the hotel… something lots of players do in the club house anyay.

    I am looking forward to seeing more of Ottavino & Lynn… both with good size and major league futures..

  14. sluhser589 says:

    Per Goold Tyler Bighames will serve a 50 game suspension for a positive test for a “drug of abuse.”

  15. VolsnCards5 says:

    ugh…i liked the bighames pick, but he had a terrible start to his pro career, and now this

    these guys are professional baseball players…they have to be smarter than doing drugs and drinking and driving

  16. BigRob says:

    Yea. To some of us that seems obvious but to others they feel invincible now that they have drafted or even reached the bigs. Maturity is not something every young man has, obviously.

  17. Gossard says:

    What about Joe Mather as a “viable power hitter in the system”? I realize he isn’t viewed as a prospect at this point since he played in the majors and isn’t a young pup, but he has shown plenty of power and is still part of the minor league system.

    I’m obviously a big Mather fan and I know he won’t show up in any prospect lists anymore, but I feel like he is a bit of a forgotten man right now. First off, hopefully his wrist is strong heading into spring….but I think he would be a fantastic power bat to play OF/3B and pinch hit.

  18. BigRob says:

    Assuming Joe is healthy and in shape come spring training, I think he has a real shot at becoming the starting 3rd baseman on opening day. Mather’s role has a lot to do with Holliday. If matt is back, then maybe Joe starts at 3rd. If matt signs elsewhere, I would think joe would get a chance in the OF.

  19. StuMiller says:

    That is Bighames 2nd positive test… how stupid can he be.

  20. abe froman says:

    post dispatch is running a story saying freese had a DWI arrest in 2002 but he accepted a plea deal. this is sounding more and more like a problem.

  21. fpslackers says:

    I agree with those who think Mather deserves a crack at the starting 3B spot. He certainly hasn’t received much print about that possibility though. If we bring Holliday back, we should be able to get decent production between a Freese, Mather, Greene, Lugo combo. I wonder if Freese’s latest adventures will make them reconsider trying Craig out at 3B.

  22. cariocacardinal says:

    Still haven’t figured out how a DWI makes Freese a worse prospect or less likely to perform as our 3B next year. I don’t think TLR managed worse because he got a DWI.

  23. tom s. says:

    carioca — no, one (even two) DUI is not a bar to playing baseball, but if it’s indicative of a larger alcohol problem (which it may or may not be) one wonders whether we can look forward to a season full of scott spiezio-esque “flu-like symptoms” keeping him out of games. that would be the obvious concern.

  24. jstrange says:

    under the assumption that we sign holliday, third base would appear to then be filled internally. freese has gotten perhaps the most publicity for first getting an endorsement from mozeliak, and of course now the infamous DWI saga. i’m calling my dark horse to be tyler greene. sure he’s a SS and a good one too. he’s not gonna unseat ryan unless brendan really land’s deep in TLR’s doghouse. i’d like to see greene get a real shot to claim that vacant 3B opening; his upside is much higher than freese’s. maybe it’s the new year’s hangover, but i’m going on board and saying greene will be the cards opening day third baseman………

  25. bigchieftootiemontana says:

    might be a pretty good “competition” at third come spring,
    Freese/Mather/Greene. Tyler could be a real super utility if he can play third,short and second. He has to cut down on the strikeouts tho or put the ball in play for hits when he isn’t the sultan of swish.

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