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		<title>By: eccard</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/01/27/memphis-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-14507</link>
		<dc:creator>eccard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JB, I&#039;d have to think the whole organization has changed it&#039;s mind on where Lance Lynn will start this season.  It has to be Memphis for the simple reason that Luhnow is trying to convince fans that our farm system isn&#039;t as bad as the experts are saying.  Lance has to start in AAA to save face.  PJ Walters I have a little more faith in then you.  I think he will regain his control and revive his prospect status a la Hawksworth.  It got messed up with his undefined role at the start of last year and by the end of the season he had pretty much righted himself.  He&#039;s actually a Duncan kind of pitcher; pitch to contact and hit your spots.  As for Ottavino, he is another of our over-rated hard throwers who can&#039;t hit the strike zone enough to be effective.  I&#039;m not sold on him at all just because he can throw at 95 mph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JB, I&#8217;d have to think the whole organization has changed it&#8217;s mind on where Lance Lynn will start this season.  It has to be Memphis for the simple reason that Luhnow is trying to convince fans that our farm system isn&#8217;t as bad as the experts are saying.  Lance has to start in AAA to save face.  PJ Walters I have a little more faith in then you.  I think he will regain his control and revive his prospect status a la Hawksworth.  It got messed up with his undefined role at the start of last year and by the end of the season he had pretty much righted himself.  He&#8217;s actually a Duncan kind of pitcher; pitch to contact and hit your spots.  As for Ottavino, he is another of our over-rated hard throwers who can&#8217;t hit the strike zone enough to be effective.  I&#8217;m not sold on him at all just because he can throw at 95 mph.</p>
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		<title>By: JBCardsFan</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/01/27/memphis-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-14440</link>
		<dc:creator>JBCardsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not have a link so I understand if you do not believe me, but Lunhow was interviewed last season about Lynn and Lunhow said that Lynn would start in AA.  It was a shocking statement given that Lynn finished in AAA last year, Walters and Ottavino are terrible, and MacLane was decent but nothing worth getting excited about.  

Also, Hearne was more successful than Lynn last year in the minors so it is confusing why he would be moved to the bullpen.  He pitched more innings and had a lower ERA than Lynn.  He also put up some good starts in AAA.  Again, hard to understand why we stick with Walters and Ottavino who struggle in the minors when we have starters who are actually doing well in the system.  No meritocracy I suppose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have a link so I understand if you do not believe me, but Lunhow was interviewed last season about Lynn and Lunhow said that Lynn would start in AA.  It was a shocking statement given that Lynn finished in AAA last year, Walters and Ottavino are terrible, and MacLane was decent but nothing worth getting excited about.  </p>
<p>Also, Hearne was more successful than Lynn last year in the minors so it is confusing why he would be moved to the bullpen.  He pitched more innings and had a lower ERA than Lynn.  He also put up some good starts in AAA.  Again, hard to understand why we stick with Walters and Ottavino who struggle in the minors when we have starters who are actually doing well in the system.  No meritocracy I suppose</p>
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		<title>By: VolsnCards5</title>
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		<dc:creator>VolsnCards5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dream scenario: Rich Hill wins 5th spot, allowing Garcia more seasoning time in AAA recovering from injury. Hill has very solid year and Cubs fans everywhere weep uncontrollably</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dream scenario: Rich Hill wins 5th spot, allowing Garcia more seasoning time in AAA recovering from injury. Hill has very solid year and Cubs fans everywhere weep uncontrollably</p>
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		<title>By: eccard</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/01/27/memphis-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-14381</link>
		<dc:creator>eccard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately for Jocketty when you steal players like Wainwright, Edmonds, Rolen and McGwire and barely give up anything it makes the other GM&#039;s look bad.  This makes others wary of dealing with him for fear of being the next trophy head on his mantle.  Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.......    Albeit the Mulder/Haren deal brought him back to earth.  

Take another look at the Reds, Walt has built a fine young, exciting up and coming team that will be big time challengers.  Scott Rolen is all his years of ware is a good veteran fit to help these young players grow.  They will be legitimate title contenders in 2011.  They&#039;re just a shortstop away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately for Jocketty when you steal players like Wainwright, Edmonds, Rolen and McGwire and barely give up anything it makes the other GM&#8217;s look bad.  This makes others wary of dealing with him for fear of being the next trophy head on his mantle.  Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice&#8230;&#8230;.    Albeit the Mulder/Haren deal brought him back to earth.  </p>
<p>Take another look at the Reds, Walt has built a fine young, exciting up and coming team that will be big time challengers.  Scott Rolen is all his years of ware is a good veteran fit to help these young players grow.  They will be legitimate title contenders in 2011.  They&#8217;re just a shortstop away.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Cardinal</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/01/27/memphis-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-14359</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eccard, I agree with you that, looking at numbers and &quot;stuff&quot;, I was surprised that they drafted Jukich.  However I was encouraged that Baseball America thought he had some upside prior to the draft.

As to Jockety, I too really liked him when he was their GM.  I won&#039;t get into the circumstances about his departure because I don&#039;t know enough of the facts to comment.  However, toward the end of his tenure with the Cards, I had started to wonder if, because teams were becoming more likely to sign their impending excellent free agents and/or keeping those free agents and accepting the draft choice compensation, it was becoming more likely that Walt would not be able to make the type of trades he had made early on for McGwire, Edmonds and Rolen etc.  I have not seen anything so far in his time in Cincy to indicate otherwise.  Acquiring Rolen at his then age, physical condition and salary from the Phillies, is much different than acquiring Rolen at his current age, physical condition and salary from the Blue Jays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eccard, I agree with you that, looking at numbers and &#8220;stuff&#8221;, I was surprised that they drafted Jukich.  However I was encouraged that Baseball America thought he had some upside prior to the draft.</p>
<p>As to Jockety, I too really liked him when he was their GM.  I won&#8217;t get into the circumstances about his departure because I don&#8217;t know enough of the facts to comment.  However, toward the end of his tenure with the Cards, I had started to wonder if, because teams were becoming more likely to sign their impending excellent free agents and/or keeping those free agents and accepting the draft choice compensation, it was becoming more likely that Walt would not be able to make the type of trades he had made early on for McGwire, Edmonds and Rolen etc.  I have not seen anything so far in his time in Cincy to indicate otherwise.  Acquiring Rolen at his then age, physical condition and salary from the Phillies, is much different than acquiring Rolen at his current age, physical condition and salary from the Blue Jays.</p>
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		<title>By: sportsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sportsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glad to see things going here again
where do all the pitchers fit is a good question, so
seems zink is an ideal long man who can go very often
if jukich looks ok, any chance we trade porkchop?
i think there is some chance hill starts at memphis in a dl kind of rehab deal.  just wonder if his arm is any more durable than garcia&#039;s at this point
kmac puzzles me, i think his long term opportunities are max as a starter.  might as well find out, in memphis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glad to see things going here again<br />
where do all the pitchers fit is a good question, so<br />
seems zink is an ideal long man who can go very often<br />
if jukich looks ok, any chance we trade porkchop?<br />
i think there is some chance hill starts at memphis in a dl kind of rehab deal.  just wonder if his arm is any more durable than garcia&#8217;s at this point<br />
kmac puzzles me, i think his long term opportunities are max as a starter.  might as well find out, in memphis</p>
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		<title>By: eccard</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/01/27/memphis-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-14340</link>
		<dc:creator>eccard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indiana; I didn&#039;t see that write up, however, there were enough pitching starved teams that passed him by for me question the choice.  I&#039;ve read the scouting report, including how high the Cards were on him before, but frankly I just don&#039;t see a guy unprotected by the Reds as being a diamond in the rough.  

As for Jocketty, I still have a lot of respect for the man.  Look at our roster and you see lots of talent brought in during his regime: Pujols, Molina, Schumaker, Ryan, Carpenter, Wainwright, Craig, Garcia, McClellan, Hawksworth, Rasmus and so on.  He has every right to be pissed at the Cardinals because they basically stripped him of his powers in his last year so he would fail.  Having said that, Walt lost respect from the Cards for his support of Manno, who was not doing a good job as farm director.  For Manno it was all or nothing with his drafts, whereas Luhnow has stalked the entire farm system with home grown talent.  When it comes to making trades, I&#039;d take Walt over Mo any day.  Personally I hold no ill will toward Walt, but obviously he has no use for the 27 year old Jukich or else he would have protected him.  If I&#039;m Walt, I&#039;m saying let&#039;s move on and give his spot on the AAA team to a younger prospect.  Why reclaim him if you no longer wanted him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indiana; I didn&#8217;t see that write up, however, there were enough pitching starved teams that passed him by for me question the choice.  I&#8217;ve read the scouting report, including how high the Cards were on him before, but frankly I just don&#8217;t see a guy unprotected by the Reds as being a diamond in the rough.  </p>
<p>As for Jocketty, I still have a lot of respect for the man.  Look at our roster and you see lots of talent brought in during his regime: Pujols, Molina, Schumaker, Ryan, Carpenter, Wainwright, Craig, Garcia, McClellan, Hawksworth, Rasmus and so on.  He has every right to be pissed at the Cardinals because they basically stripped him of his powers in his last year so he would fail.  Having said that, Walt lost respect from the Cards for his support of Manno, who was not doing a good job as farm director.  For Manno it was all or nothing with his drafts, whereas Luhnow has stalked the entire farm system with home grown talent.  When it comes to making trades, I&#8217;d take Walt over Mo any day.  Personally I hold no ill will toward Walt, but obviously he has no use for the 27 year old Jukich or else he would have protected him.  If I&#8217;m Walt, I&#8217;m saying let&#8217;s move on and give his spot on the AAA team to a younger prospect.  Why reclaim him if you no longer wanted him?</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Cardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indiana Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prior to the Rule 5 draft, Baseball America gave a very good write up on Jukich a candidate for that draft (I believe it was written by Ben Badler).  I think they drafted him with the idea that if he pitched well enough in spring training they would keep him as the long reliever who could develop into the #5 starter.

I also think there is very little liklihood that Jockety would allow the Cards to send him to the minors this season because of the risk that if he turned into something good it would make his successor, Mozeliak, look good at his expense.  I think there are enough hard feelings on Walt&#039;s part to not take that risk.  Having to return $25k of $50k to the Cards is not a big deal for the Reds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to the Rule 5 draft, Baseball America gave a very good write up on Jukich a candidate for that draft (I believe it was written by Ben Badler).  I think they drafted him with the idea that if he pitched well enough in spring training they would keep him as the long reliever who could develop into the #5 starter.</p>
<p>I also think there is very little liklihood that Jockety would allow the Cards to send him to the minors this season because of the risk that if he turned into something good it would make his successor, Mozeliak, look good at his expense.  I think there are enough hard feelings on Walt&#8217;s part to not take that risk.  Having to return $25k of $50k to the Cards is not a big deal for the Reds.</p>
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		<title>By: eccard</title>
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		<dc:creator>eccard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of hitters in the majors are righties.  A junk-balling AAAA lefty doesn&#039;t really stand a chance.  I dred the thought of the 13-man pitching staff.  Pitching was not our weakness last year.  The anemic bench was.  Too many times TLR had pitchers pinch-hitting instead of a legitimate bat, not that our bench players were much better anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of hitters in the majors are righties.  A junk-balling AAAA lefty doesn&#8217;t really stand a chance.  I dred the thought of the 13-man pitching staff.  Pitching was not our weakness last year.  The anemic bench was.  Too many times TLR had pitchers pinch-hitting instead of a legitimate bat, not that our bench players were much better anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: CRay</title>
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		<dc:creator>CRay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Cards see much to like with Jukich, he will stay with the big club and serve as this year&#039;s Brad Thompson - mainly long relief and appearances when the club is well behind - to save other arms in the bullpen. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if TLR and Dunc again go with a 13-man pitching staff (yikes!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Cards see much to like with Jukich, he will stay with the big club and serve as this year&#8217;s Brad Thompson &#8211; mainly long relief and appearances when the club is well behind &#8211; to save other arms in the bullpen. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if TLR and Dunc again go with a 13-man pitching staff (yikes!).</p>
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