Intrigued by this comment, I wanted to take a very brief look into the Cardinals relievers for the last three years. Given the aggressive nature that the organization handles prospects and the rapid nature at which you’d expect relievers to rise through an organization, 2007 would be the absolute earliest we could have any expectation of seeing Jeff Luhnow’s fingerprints on the major league pen.
Looking back to 2007, however, shows that no one who pitched in relief that year was an original signee or draftee under Luhnow. It wasn’t until the following year (3-ish years after Luhnow’s first draft) that those individuals would emerge to make a dent in the bullpen innings.
In 2008, relievers threw 499 innings for the Cardinals. Individuals signed or drafted by Luhnow since 2005 (this does not include minor league free agents) accounted for 11.1% of the innings. The breakdown looks like this:
| Year | Player | Draft Year | IP |
| 2008 | Chris Perez | 2006 | 41.67 |
| Jaime Garcia | 2005 | 11 | |
| Mitchell Boggs | 2005 | 3 |
Chris Perez, while sporting an tepid 4.33 FIP, made up a significant portion of that himself. Developing one “full-time” reliever for the bullpen goes a long way toward payroll relief.
In 2009, the Cardinals made little ground in absorbing innings via home Luhnow’s grown talent clocking in at 11.4%. Some players like Blake Hawksworth, Kyle McClellan and Jason Motte would continue to spend significant amounts of time in the pen with varying degrees of success but the players selected by Luhnow remained limited to AAA starters and Chris Perez.
| Year | Player | Draft Year | IP |
| 2009 | Chris Perez | 2006 | 23.67 |
| Mitchell Boggs | 2005 | 9.67 | |
| Clayton Mortensen | 2007 | 3 | |
| PJ Walters | 2006 | 12 | |
| Jess Todd | 2007 | 1.66 |
Three of those players are no longer with the organization as Perez and Todd were traded for Mark DeRosa and Mortensen was moved to Oakland in the Matt Holliday deal.
It’s often difficult to project playing time with any degree of accuracy even a meager year into the future. It seems doubly difficult to try and do so for relievers. Heading into 2010, there’s no obvious Luhnow draftee that has a guaranteed role in the pen but there are several players who could wind up contributing:
- Pete Parise – We’ve discussed him recently here. An undrafted free agent who played CF before converting to the mound. His groundball tendencies would seem to lend itself to the Cardinals’ philosophy while his low ceiling would lend itself to some back and forth on highway 55 between St. Louis and Memphis.
- Fernando Salas – A control pitcher with a low 90s fastball and a good breaking ball, Salas was sidelined by a finger injury in 2009 but has the ability to be a nice addition to the back end of a pen.
- Eduardo Sanchez – The only other pure reliever heading into next season with a realistic shot at the big league pen. He features the best combination of stuff and command that the organization has seen in some time.
- Mitchell Boggs, PJ Walters, Jaime Garcia – They’ve all pitched out of the big league pen before and, for various reasons, seem unlikely to get a shot at the 5th starter’s spot in the rotation. Boggs’ fastball in particular would seem to lend itself to being a force out of the pen.
There are options available and lackluster appearances by Kyle McClellan or Blake Hawksworth could lead to more than one of the above getting a shot. Whether the 2009 pen will eclipse the 11% mark of the previous two years remains to be seen.
While this exercise was interesting, it doesn’t answer the initial question I had after reading the comment from VEB by fourstick. Lauding the Cardinals for their draft choices with regards to high octane arms is not unreasonable. Whether those pitchers, or any Luhnow combination of Luhnow products, have made a substantial contribution in relief relative to the rest of the league remains largely unanswered though.

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The story would be very different if we hadn’t given up Luke Gregerson, our 28th-round pick in 2006, for Khalil Greene. I don’t know if Gregerson was a stat-based pick or a scout’s discovery, but either way, he could’ve been one of our best relievers last season.
Giving him up was Mo’s mistake. Luhnow should still get credit for bringing him into the system.
Seems to me that the best reason to draft relievers is because they’re so fungible in trades. Last season alone we got two starting infielders for four relievers: Gregerson, Worrell, Perez, and Todd. Neither trade worked out, but the bottom line is that Luhnow had good players lined up in the minors to help the varsity, one way or the other.
(Technical note: I think Luhnow gets credit/blame for the 2004 draft, even though he didn’t have his own scouts in place. So Worrell was one of his stat-based picks.)
Mozeliak is generally credited/blamed as the 2004 draft lead. I’m uncertain to what degree Luhnow was involved and had revamped the department.
Probably need to include Gregerson in your analysis. Adds a lot in terms of 2009.
3 years sounds reasonable but how does it compare to other organizations? There are so many veterans hanging on in relief roles it seems hard to believe that many young guys get a chance in any organization. I would add along with that that it would seem TLR’s preference for veterans may be having an influence here also.
The Cards seem to have a lot of high ceiling relievers at AA/AAA this year but after that there may be a gap (particularly if Bittle and Kelly become starters). For many years we have had a star reliever at QC or below (Sillman, Worrell, Riefer, Gregerson, Samuals) but this year we had none.
Gregerson is a good, if painful, point to remember.
Thanks for your work, Future Redbirds is one of my must sites.
What is Jason Motte’s status? I thought he was a home grown Cardinal, was he drafted before 2005?
Thank you
Tony
Motte was drafted as a catcher in 2003.
Interesting read, azru.
We all know the 2005 draft was horrible. But I dug out my records and looked at the pitchers drafted by the Cards in the first ten rounds – Blake Williams (compensation pick after round 1 – I think he got injured along the way), Chris Narveson (2nd round – high upside but unfortunately got hurt but has still has some major league career – pitched for Milwaukee last year if I recall correctly and anyway was originally seen as a starter), Josh Axelson (5), Shaun Stokes (7), John Novinsky (9), Carmen Cali (10 – who I believe pitched a little bit for the Cards). All in all, with Narveson’s (and Williams’) injuries, very little success.
Hopefully, the Cards will have better long run luck (and skill in drafting) with more recent drafts.
My bad – that was the 2000 draft – my records got confused – I must really be asleep this morning – Sorry.
The 2005 draft was the Mark McCormick, Tyler Herron, Josh Wilson, Nick Webber draft in rounds 1 and 2, some with supplemental picks, though Boggs was drafted in round 5. Anyway, not much bang for the picks there – I’ll go back to bed now.
The other thing to remember is that Jocketty was determining the major league roster in 2007. Since Mo took over, the Cardinals seem much more willing to try out replacement players in the system than in dumpster diving, and that includes the bullpen. The lack of Cardinals pitchers from the system that year probably has much to do with Jocketty than anything else. His unwillingness with work with Luhnow was the main reason for firing him.
CRay – We also drafted Colby Rasmus and Tyler Greene with our 1st-round picks that year.
In my opinion, Boggs is a RP. His stuff plays up coming out of the pen, and he seemed to have better command as well. I hope they keep him in the bullpen, because he could prove to be a valuable reliever for this club.
CRay – I see you were just referring to pitchers drafted that year. My bad.
I’m not sure that hand-wringing over Gregerson is to the point. Right up to when he appeared in the Show, there was little in his minor-league trajectory to suggest he’d be a significantly better than average reliever when he got there. He’d had a couple of statistically good years in the lower minors, but was old for the league, and his 2008 at Springfield was merely good and not great. Besides, he’s only had the one year in San Diego. Even a blind hog can find an acorn, and it’s not really clear that it’s an acorn yet.
It’ll be interesting to see how Mo’s use of farm talent as trade bait differs this year from last, because the circumstances are very different for the major-league team as well as the farm system itself. The system is much weaker, of course, but at the same time, there aren’t the glaring holes at 3B and LF that must be fixed if the team is to make a post-season run. I’d expect that Mo will be arranging for more frequent-flyer rates on the Memphis shuttle for some of these guys than he did last year, because there will be less need to trade them away — hopefully.
i think it’s best to look at boggs as a starter as a failed experiment
he was a very successful closer in college, and putting him back in the pen is not a big deal