I have the day off and I have the draft and prospects on the brain, so why not chat? This is out of the blue, so we’ll see if anyone shows up.
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Is there any way that Harper will not be the number 1 pick? I don’t think so, considering that he would be a good fit for the Nationals. They already have some good young pitchers besides Strasburg (J.Zimmerman, Ross Detwiler for SP’s, and obviously Storen as a closer) so it seems like they would focus on more bats. A future 3-4 punch of R.Zimmerman/Bryce Harper or vice-versa looks pretty exciting.
@Josh: I’d say there is like a .00000000001% chance the Nationals do not take Harper.
Am I the only one who sees Jesse Hahn as a first round player?
I realize I am late. For Future (Redbirds) reference can someone tell me where and how you post a question to be answered in such chats? Thanks.
FWIW, Kozma has a much higher LD%, ISOP, and a .478 SLG% on the road compared to .402 at Hammons Field.
Note to everyone Quad Cities is on MILB.tv for the next three days. Usually only triple A games are on the site but QC will be on. This is a good chance for us to scout Fortanoro, Hooker, Schneider and maybe Miller if he’s scheduled in the next 3 games.
Jordan Shipers is an interesting Missouri prospect Erik. He doesn’t play high school baseball (school doesn’t have it, or home schooled I forget which). He’s a smallish lefty going to everyone’s favorite Missouri school (Missouri State of course), but dominated the summer circuit, and is thought to be a top-5 round pick. Hope he makes it to school, but there was a question about Missouri kids and thought I’d offer .02
Kickham has come out of nowhere to be on radar’s. Not recruited out of Glendale High School, went to Crowder for a year, started throwing low 90′s, gets to MSU, and strikes out a batter an inning at 6-4, 215 from the left side. Tendency to get dinged around for big innings though, and can really lose the release point for 15-20 pitches at a time.
I’d take a chance on Tepesch in the 5th round area if we don’t draft 4 pitchers by that point (though as you said, you can’t draft for position). I’d love to get Castellanos, always my top choice, but Mayo thinks he will be long gone beforehand.
Cards love arm strength, and Allie has it in spades, so I’d take KLaw at his word on that one.
The more and more I think about it, I’d prefer the Cardinals to go with a tough sign in the first and then go with easier signs in the supplemental first, second, and third rounds. The strength of this year’s draft is with the right handed relievers and back end of the rotation starters. If you go with one of those early in the draft, the odds of you finding another high impact later in the draft that has a reasonable shot at making it to the bigs becomes even slimmer.
Going with a draft like Austin Wilson/Stetson Allie/A.J. Cole in the first round, go with a combo of Jedd Gyorko/Barrett Loux/Matt Harvey/Sammy Solis, you’ve got the potential to have a great draft.
Sammy Solis is a high upside lefty out of high school who has back issues, or he’s go in the first round. I’d love him in the supplmental round. Couple him with a college righty, and we’d be good to go.
Cole/Loux/Solis is a great pitching draft start. My ideal would be:
Wilson/Loux/Solis to give us that power bat we lack at the moment, Loux has big time talent, I kid I really liked coming into the year, and Solis is that high upside lefty we lack as well.
From there, I’d be ok with the Jacob Thompson’s of the world, and the college heavy approach we expect.
@Indiana Cardinal: I think you pretty much have to post during the chat … not like espn where they have the chat site up days before the actual chat.
Of the players I hope we target for 25 are A. Wilson, AJ Cole, S. Allie, N. Castellanos, and J. O’Conner. Supplemental round hopefuls for me include G. Brown, K. Parker, J. Gyorko, K. Bryant, A. Wimmers, A. Wojciechowski, B. Loux, J. Paxton, and T. Jenkins.
This was an interesting data dump from an SI article…tends to make me want to target high school high end talent earlier, and the college players later, rather than vice versa. If I’m not supposed to copy in part of an article, let me know. I’m fairly new around here…
3. Shorten it
The draft is too long (50 rounds) and includes far too many high school players. Boras advocates holding two separate drafts: one for college players and one for high school players. He would limit the high school draft to two rounds, or about 70 picks if you add on compensation picks. Why just two rounds? His reason is based on years of data that show that after about 70 high school players are picked, the rest of them are glorified lottery tickets, many of whom will soon wash out of baseball and reenter the job market with no secondary education.
Perhaps those kids should be encouraged to attend college or (as no doubt Boras might prefer) cut their own deals as free agents with major league clubs, perhaps for the chance to play with an affiliate close to home or one that offers a better opportunity for advancement. Think of it as a high school grad applying to colleges, rather than one college choosing the high school grad.
A cap of 70 high school picks sounds a bit too harsh to me. I don’t have Boras’ enormous staff or resources. (I joke with him that his payroll exceeds those of some small-market franchises. Boras, who said he has negotiated $4 billion worth of player contracts in his career, said he makes no money on the First-Year Player Draft — that he considers it “a loss leader” for his corporation.) So I checked one small sample, the 2000 draft, to consider what it means to be one of the hundreds of late-round picks out of high school.
In 2000, major league teams selected 436 high school players after the 13th round. Only nine of those kids signed a contract that year and eventually made it to the big leagues — a 98 percent failure rate. After Round 26, teams selected 213 high school players, only one of whom, Victor Diaz, an outfielder who appeared in 147 games for the Mets and Rangers, played even a day in the big leagues — a 99.5 percent failure rate.
What if you had stopped the high school picks at 70 in 2000? The quota would have been reached in the fourth round. In the 46 rounds that followed, teams took 535 high school players. Only 29 of them ever made it to The Show — a failure rate after the fourth round of 95 percent.
Sure sounds like the system could use a full-scale review.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/05/28/mlb-draft/index.html#ixzz0piacTq5G
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@Vision:
Actually Sollis played for University of San Diego. Kind of a Brian Matusz-lite with some injury concerns. Good value pick in the supplemental round IMO.
@Karmaloop:
You’re right. Brain fart…
The question marks are supposed to be f a r t. Didn’t realize that was a dirty word.