Springfield Cardinals Hitters: August 13-15
Posted on August 23rd, 2010 by azruavatar in Scouting Reports, Springfield CardinalsI wasn’t sure what I was going to see when I went to Springfield. I had a lot of names on my list to see. The level of talent was better than I expected. So let’s get down to the details.
(Note: Based on the length of the post, I decided to split it into two parts. Too much to discuss at one time. The pitchers will be available in a post on Wednesday.)
The Good
I’m not sure I can restrain myself in describing Matt Carpenter. He has the best plate approach of any minor league player in the Cardinals farm system that I’ve seen since Jeff Luhnow took over the drafts. If you think that he’s got a good approach because he draws a lot of walks, you’d be right but only partially so. It misses the bigger picture of why Carpenter is going to be a successful player in the long run. It’s the finer aspects of what he does that have me so excited.
Carpenter isn’t afraid to watch the first pitch. He doesn’t swing at bad pitches. He’ll swing at the occasional breaking ball but they’re usually good breaking balls. He’s not swinging at garbage in the dirt. When he does swing, he’s swinging at something that’s hittable. I cannot recall a single bad swing he took the entire weekend. Literally.
Now, having acknowledged that he has a tremendous strength in his plate approach, there are two areas that are questionable right now. The first is his power output. I don’t see much in the way of HR power here. He’s not going to be someone who will hit 20 HRs in a year. He’s a 10-15 guy for me with good not great gap power. The positive is that he’s not a slap hitter. More advanced pitchers aren’t just going to start blowing things by him.
The second questionable area is his defense. I can understand why there might be some concerns within the organization here especially with his throwing motion. He’s got a strong arm but there’s something odd about the way he throws from third. His transitions from glove to hand could use some work. The reactions at third are good (couple of nice picks on hard hit balls during the three games). At 25, I’m not sure that he’s ever going to be more than he is now defensively but he should be at least average.
Physically, Carpenter is tall and lanky. He’s not bulky but he’s by no means a pip squeak.
Overall, if you were excited by the statistics to date, I think you’re justified. The plate approach is masterful and I hope the organization does nothing to try and change him in that regard. I’d like him as more of a number two style hitter who can get on base at a good clip but won’t necessarily hit for a lot of power. He’s a table setter for me but a very good one.
Two Random Notes: 1) He doesn’t hit with batting gloves. It’s a bit odd. 2) He had some awesome walk-up music but I can’t figure out what song it was.
The second hitter of note from the weekend was Tommy Pham. He’s been something of a tease this year with great spring training numbers and then he fell apart while playing in Palm Beach. His statistics since being promoted to Springfield have been very good.
The first thing you’ll see when you watch Pham is the athleticism. Defensively, he stole the show on Friday night. He made a leaping catch at the wall to end the seventh inning. After staying down for long enough to make me nervous, he got up and went to the dugout. Earlier in that inning, he threw a ball in from deep centerfield to home — 1 hop, a couple feet up the first base line. It was a bullet. His arm strength was on display throughout the weekend.
He’s got the speed to make up for other aspects of his defense. He’s a well above average runner. I was left with the impression that he doesn’t always get a good first read on the ball. His first movement often seemed a little tentative but he makes the play. (He had a slick stolen base off a lefty pitcher in Saturday’s game in the first inning.)
Offensively, I’d characterize him as a little raw. He’s got quick wrists. The swing is pretty with good loading of the hands and staying back on the ball. He uses the lower body torque to his advantage and he could have some future power that is still developing. The pitch recognition seemed like it was a work in progress as well.
Summary: Pham is still more potential than actualized talent at this point but the latent ability is there. He’s got the defensive chops to be a centerfielder and a bat that needs a little more refinement but should play at higher levels.
Other notes
- Pete Kozma – His swing on Friday was . . . bad. He has a tendency to let his hands get ahead of his lower body rotation, which leads to some weak, flailing-type hitting. It also makes him susceptible to breaking pitches because he doesn’t stay back and commits too early. Saturday and Sunday this was far less apparent but I wasn’t terribly enamored of his swing. He did hit a monster homerun. The swing looked different than I recall from 2009 — a bit more of an uppercut — so I can see him generating some power from it. Still a work in progress at the plate.
Defensively, I just don’t see how anyone can think he’s a good shortstop. I saw him take bad first steps, bobble glove-to-hand transitions, lose focus on easy plays, etc. (Re: the mental aspect of the game — he also got caught in a stupid run down during Sunday’s game but managed to escape.) His range at shortstop is good but everything else seemed like it was a mess. - Andrew Brown – Medium build. Has the athleticism to play in right field though no great shakes out there. He’s not like other 1B to outfield transitions the org has tried previously (Mark Hamilton, I’m looking at you.) The bat is good not great. Reminds me a little bit of Allen Craig but the raw power isn’t quite there. I’m skeptical he’s got enough bat to be a corner outfielder in the majors. Fringe prospect for me.
- Aaron Luna – Same kind of scenario as Brown. Good speed, weak outfield arm. If I questioned Brown’s bat, Luna’s seems even less likely to play at the majors as a corner outfielder. There’s just not enough power or secondary skills there (unless you consider HBP to be a repeatable skill – he’s been pegged nearly 50 times in the last 2 years).
- Xavier Scruggs – Someone should give him shoes that aren’t encased in cement. He had zero lateral movement at first base. The swing looks long to me. Pitch recognition was shoddy at best. The power is very real though. I just question whether he’s going to be able to keep up with the better breaking balls at the next level.
- Jose Garcia – Garcia has never met a breaking ball he wouldn’t swing at.
- Daryl Jones – Conspicuous in his absence, he played CF after Tommy Pham departed due to being struck on the hand by a pitch. Jones looks good in the field — he’s fast with a strong arm — but I can only describe his demeanor as disinterested and listless. I’m loathe to play armchair psychologist so take that with a grain of salt.
HR Distances & DFR links:
August 13th - Pham, 3rd Inning, 395 ft, LF; Scruggs, 4th Inning, 427 ft, LCF; Pham, 8th inning, 330 ft, LF line
August 14th – Kozma, 2nd Inning, 419 ft, LF; Carpenter, 5th Inning, 370 ft
August 15th – Scruggs, 7th Inning, 397 ft



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Sorry to hear that about Kozma. On the other hand, how many utility guys can hit it 419 feet?
Solid writeup Az! Nice to see Carpenter is as legit as I was hoping. I could see a legit scenario where he is battling Freese in ST next year. I also was waiting for a detailed first hand report on Kozma. I just couldn’t believe people kept saying he was a plus defender but his errors were extremely high each year. As I had hoped it was some unexplained crazy theory I knew it was probably a pipe dream. Unless something drastic changes with him it appears he was a big miss and might never see legit time in the bigs.
If it is mental, and DJ is also having mental problems then maybe there is something wrong with the coaching staff at Springfield? Also if it is mental there is a chance he could “put it all together” though I think he has set the stage for a move to 2nd and with his offensive struggles I don’t know if that will be good enough.
Jones to 2nd?? I don’t think so. He throws lefty.
I get the impression Pop Warner is a really good manager. He won a championship in the Florida State League in 2005, and I think he’s had a winning record each year he’s been manager at Springfield (2007- ). He’s also pretty young; the S-Cards website says he’s only 39. Then again, who knows how well any of them get along. The whole idea is to manage guys for a year or less and send them up the ladder.
Great write-up, AZ.
So is Pham a dead-pull hitter?
At the moment, probably. The bat is quick enough that he ought to be able to go the other way but I didn’t see much of it. I think that will come with time and coaching.
Speaking of coaching, I’d be very hesitant to attribute player flaws to poor coaching. Warner and May are top flight and I’ve heard positive things about Martinez as well.
Given that now not only Raz but Jay are in the center-field queue ahead of him, I start to wonder whether Pham’s main value may be as a trading chip. Interesting how the franchise seems to have a serious stream of talent at certain hard-to-get positions (C, CF), while the cupboard is bare at others (SS).
That’s an interesting point. When the Cards rebooted their Latin American program, for a while it looked they were going to flood the system with MI prospects. That hasn’t worked out, but now we have all these catchers in the low minors who can hit, which is an unexpected twist.
I’m beginning to wonder how long Rasmus will be a Cardinal. To read his father’s posts on Brian Walton’s blog (thecardinalnation.com), it sounds like Colby is deeply unhappy and desperately wants to go somewhere else. It seems insane to trade a young, cost-controlled guy with his upside, but he’s arb-eligible after next year, so he won’t be cheap much longer. And he might bring a cost-controlled middle infielder in return, which is a position of greater need.
I don’t mind having a no-hit SS like Ryan, who wins games with his glove, but this is our second straight year w. no offense from 3rd, and our second in three years w. no offense at 2nd. I don’t mind rolling the dice next year at 3rd, figuring that some combination of Freese recovering and Matt Carpenter advancing will give us cover until Cox is ready. But I don’t see any help on the way at 2nd. Descalso might give us a little more than Schu, but we need a lot more.
No telling if JMo could pull off the equivalent of Jocketty’s Drew trade, or if it’s something he’d even consider. But we have to do something this offseason.
haven’t read the posts from Colby’s dad, but I am guessing his issue is TLR. He is a veteran mamager. he has gone thru some development of younger players the lat few years, but really, His ideal is 1 rookie a year to slowly break in, and vet’s around him to carry the weight. that is what it appears to me, at least. I agree he seems “not happy” for whatever reason. he would be highly tradable, and would bring another young talented player in return. long term, the decision has to be made whether TLR is the right manager for a team going young to accommodate signing AP. He will likely have to deal with young players for years. that is the direction the team is going. hoping Colby can get past this and fulfill his potential here, but it wouldn’t be the first time a player got traded for sometihing like this.
I hope that Papa Rasmus will come to his senses and realize that cryptic remarks about Colby and TLR’s relationship help no one, his son included.
I realize that you did not see Luna, Carpenter or Kozma at positions other than OF, 3b and SS respectively. However, did any of them give you the sense that they could be MLB 2b starters, which is a need at the MLB level?
Do you have a MLB comparable on Carpenter? Based upon your description of his hitting, Oberkfell comes to mind. Of course Oberkfell was an excellent fielder, better than your description of Carpenter.
Is a double platoon of Freese and Carpenter at 3b and Descalso and Greene at 2b realistic for next year. I really don’t see them bringing Lopez and Miles back, and don’t think they want to spend money and trade chips at those positions. Ryan at SS seems to depend on what he does for the remainder of the year. If that happened the 3rd, 4th and 5th OF’s could be Jay, Craig and Schumacher (in the last year of his contract). If Anderson became the backup catcher, that would give them an entirely homegrown roster of position players, other than Holliday, if you count Freese as homegrown.
No, no and yes.
Olerud came to mind but his hitting was much better than I recalled. I’d expect a little more power than Oberkfell.
Probably not a realistic scenario.
Somewhere between Oberkfell and Olerud would be nice.
That would be Olerkrud, wouldn’t it?
George Brett didn’t wear batting gloves either. And he also played third base. I’m just sayin’ …
I’m glad you said that!!! I was thinking the same damned thing. I guess I was afraid of saying anything for fear of a visitation from the ghost of Charley Lau.
Interesting comments by all. Nice job Az.
While it appears that perhaps some are lacking power, how can one explain that Springfield leads the league in HR @131 and second in hits @1143. Park factor? Bad pitchers? Or just good coaching?
They also unfortunetly lead the league in strike outs (hitters). :( Everything else is right up there after NWA for team hitting.
Is Kozma really bad or is it just a reluctance to change the things that need improving? Since last week, he certainly has made a difference, is it coming together or finally told you need to step it up..now. I always liked his swing, perhaps he’s caught in between what you should and shouldn’t do and can’t find a way out
I don’t think you are too far off with DJ.
Wondering if you got a chance to see DeJesus, who I hear is the best outfielder on the team?
I saw very little of DeJesus. I think a pair of at bats and 6 innings in the field — nothing worth forming an opinion on or at least nothing that stuck.
At what point do you think the depth in the system interferes with the playing time development of a number of the players? Now? Soon? Not likely ever?
There are a couple specific instances (most notably relievers) where I think there could be a valid argument but for the most part the Cardinals aren’t short changing any prospects because of “depth”. I don’t personally see this happening in the next 2-3 years.
Kozma’s situation is disappointing. I’ve always hoped he’d pan out. He’s always been a focus of resentment for some Cardinal fans because he wasn’t Porcello. Truth is, while time hasn’t exactly run out for him, he no longer has the luxury of being one of the younger players at his level, with season after season to figure things out. Troubling to me is the fact that I thought his scouting report, out of high school, suggested a decent fielder with good hands. I was hoping, in 2007, for some sort of future Jack Wilson-esque type of shortstop–not exactly exciting, but very serviceable. Three years later, it seems there are still a lot of holes in his game. There are such things as late bloomers, I suppose. He’s just never ever had a bright shining moment where I could get excited about him. The light bulb remains unlit.
Hasn’t Kozma been downrated because of the meteoric rise of Porcello? I think that Porcello’s and Kozma’s career line are STARTING to coincide. Not yet but approaching. If Kozma continues to develop and becomes a utility player or a starter in the bigs he will have good value, and Porcello is currently on a downhill trend. If Kozma improves his value can exceed Porcello’s. That is not necessarily great, but better than the past and even current negative expectations.
Lots of AA shortstops make errors. Kozma is coming along fine. He can play for Memphis the next two seasons.
Not convinced he’s hit well enough to deserve a promotion, tbh. I think he should start next year at Springfield again.
Tyler Greene, at least pre-injury, was really looking like he’d started to put his talent together at the age of 25/26 this year (or whatever he is) after a LONG MiLB careeer. I’d personally given up on him but it looks like he can be a useful utility/backup guy, and possibly even a RH platoon mate for Skip/DD at 2B going forward. Hopefully Kozma can do the same thing as time goes on. Not sure he’s ever going to be a starter, though.
thanks az
sorry to hear luna can’t likely return to the infield
never thought he a had a future in the outfield
How many games have you seen these guys play this season? Not sure how you can make a career assessment over a snapshot.
Are you kidding me? Really? The guy goes to the trouble of making the trip, taking notes and pictures, and then writing it all up for the benefit of the public at large — all for absolutely no pay, I might add — and you’re going to post this kind of crap? How about you save yourself the time it takes to type and the rest of us the time it takes to read and just go away. Or, better yet, go see every game Springfield plays and then give us your brilliant scouting report.
I’m by no means a trained scout but those guys are asked to make judgments on players based on a couple of games all the time.
These are my impressions. You’re entitled not to like them just as much as I’m entitled to pen them.
I’m not sure what they are going to do with Daryl Jones. The guy flat out doesn’t deserve a promotion to Memphis and are they really going to give him another year at double-A? Kozma at least shows glimpses of being major league serviceable and I am happy to hear Carpenter impressed. I think he needs to be given a spring training invite – he’s not young and should be considered
a little touchy there Aaron? Just asked a simple question and made a simple statement. He could have said 4 or 40. How would I know? Not bagging on Azruavatar or his judgement. As a matter of fact, in my two sentence response, i didn’t agree or disagree. He commented on what he saw. Interesting read. May I suggest a few more cups of coffee before 8:50?
Papa, it did appear that you were attacking. He never said this is gospel, it is his opinion, and you can choose to do with that what you will. Your comment wasn’t as abrasive to deserve the vitriol, most likely, but it wasn’t very cool either.
I’d say we’re all intelligent enough to know that seeing a player for two to three games isn’t going to make a career assessment on the whole, but you can easily get a feel for a player’s tools, and then project them moving forward. What happens from there involves a lot of hard work and circumstance for it to go right, or wrong.
I’d wager that half of our draft picks weren’t seen live and in person more than three times by scouts.
First, i would like to say that I thank you for taking of your time to go see the springfield players. We should all truly appreciate it. As a fan, i do want to say that I have been to Quad City games, Palm Beach games and Springfield and this is my personal opinion. I don’t diminimize players because one has 20 errors and another has 6. If you look at korma’s errors that player throws himself to stop as many balls as he can. If you don’t want errors then tell him to let the hard hit balls go as so many other infielders due day in and day out. They know if they don’t touch it they wont get hit with an error. I applaud korma for trying. i also aint dum, i know some are senseless errors but he is trying. He isn’t as bad. I remember how they complained about Niko in QC having 23 errors. Niko and the 3rd baseball there last year was always throwing themself’s to try to stop all the balls. There are alot of players you might not see as prospect but those unknow will one day surprise you as Carpenter has… I also remember all the complaints people had about Jon Jay not making it and there he is in the pro’s. Jay doesn’t have the arm but he’s helping the team. Jay of course didnt’ have errors but because of not having arm strength he would throw to cutoff. Im glad for Jay. I go for the underdogs.. Chambers, Scruggs,Kozma,carpenter, niko, castellanos, ingram,jackson, parejo, nieto, mulligan etc thanks for the info and keep them coming
The Springfield team has some good position players. Hill (now at Memphis), Kozma, Matt Carpenter, and Pham look on track to ascend to the majors. Luna is a possibility too.