Comments on: A Cardinals Proof

By: PJ

PJ — Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:31:39 +0000

A good effort.

I think only one assumption really matters: Theriot > Ryan (once again, let’s assume that the Cards believe this and are correct)

Assuming that is the case, we have lost nothing in terms of breadth (Hawk=Salas/Sanchez) and we have improved an important weakness (SS)

I also like the Berkmann deal. We now have better OF depth (with Craig and Jay moved to substitute duties) and lineup depth (Lance in the 6 hole sounds a heck of a lot better than Yadi in the 6 hole).

I think the Central is a 3 horse race. I would like to believe that we have tightened the gap between 1 and 2, but I think the gap between 2 and 3 (Brewers) is even tighter. On paper, all 3 teams look like legit 90 win clubs.

By: cariocacardinal

cariocacardinal — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:40:51 +0000

Right now Descalso is in STL as a backup MI along with Greene. That may change though.

By: Wade

Wade — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:47:59 +0000

or june

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:31:35 +0000

Not fozard.

I like theriot for his flexibility. Still leaves the cards with the potential of improving at either position.

I just don’t get cardinal fans somtimes. They love Ryan and his sub .280 obp, but can’t stand Franklin. Franklin was so terrible, he actually blew 3 less saves than Mariono Rivera.

By: Felonius_Monk

Felonius_Monk — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:35:35 +0000

As far as I can see, Cleto is a much better prospect than Samuel now, and probably ever. He’s been working as a starter (which Samuel has never done) and, whilst his K rate is worse, he has at least shown some semblance of control that may make it to the majors, which Samuel has never done. He’s also at a broadly age-appropriate level (Samuel will be getting old this year for a bad AA-reliever) and has the same power arm, albeit minus the nice slider that Samuel would have if he had a clue where it was going. I don’t even think Samuel is really a prospect any more, but Cleto is probably in our top-20 quite comfortably, and you could argue for him anywhere around 12-15.

By: sportsman

sportsman — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:46:05 +0000

i suspect we all hope you are right about 2012 come august

By: Danny Applegate

Danny Applegate — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:19:26 +0000

That’s what I’m talking about!!! We’re going to be the team of teen’s.

By: San Diego Paul

San Diego Paul — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 00:33:41 +0000

I think the dumping of Ryan was a major error on the part of the Cardinals. He was arguably the best fielding shortstop in
the national league. I live in California and the LA Times quoted Dodger officials as stating that Theriot was not a competent
major league shortstop. At best he was a marginal second baseman. The Dodgers officials also had made clear that they
were not going to tender Theriot. So if the Cardinals had waited a few weeks thay could have obtined Theriot at not cost.
In 2011 I predict Ryan will win acclaim as the best defensive shortstop in the AL. I also predict that Ryan will have a higher
batting average than Theriot. I also predict that Theriot will not play for the Cardinals in 2012.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:26:25 +0000

“only” getting cleo? what is the going rate for shortstops who can’t hit these days. If this is such a hot commodity, why not just sign Adam Everett and keep your own player?

It seems that people are vastly overrated Ryan’s value.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:20:34 +0000

So Mo lost his marbles because he traded utility/average at best shortstop?