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		<title>By: Forsch31</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2011/01/31/some-thoughts-on-the-2011-top-ten-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-31252</link>
		<dc:creator>Forsch31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, the &quot;disregard&quot; comment was more in reaction to Andrew&#039;s comment below.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the &#8220;disregard&#8221; comment was more in reaction to Andrew&#8217;s comment below.</p>
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		<title>By: easy</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2011/01/31/some-thoughts-on-the-2011-top-ten-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-31222</link>
		<dc:creator>easy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I guess I don&#039;t really disagree with much of what you&#039;ve said though I&#039;m not sure it accurately addresses what I intended.  I may have left the impression that I &quot;disregard&quot; the BA rankings but I meant more that they made less sense to me than they usually do.  I &quot;disagree&quot; with many of the particulars of the fan based rankings also but I see less contradiction in them than I see in this year&#039;s BA rankings.  It is also in the context of BA ranking the Cardinals&#039; system towards the bottom of the overall rankings yet  ignoring or giving low rankings to players that I, and others, feel may be genuine prospects.  
At any rate, I generally respect the BA analysis of prospects or I would not have subscribed these many years.  I did feel that this year&#039;s top 31 seemed to be less solid than usual and exercised my right as a kibbitzing, Cardinal prospect fan to state that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess I don&#8217;t really disagree with much of what you&#8217;ve said though I&#8217;m not sure it accurately addresses what I intended.  I may have left the impression that I &#8220;disregard&#8221; the BA rankings but I meant more that they made less sense to me than they usually do.  I &#8220;disagree&#8221; with many of the particulars of the fan based rankings also but I see less contradiction in them than I see in this year&#8217;s BA rankings.  It is also in the context of BA ranking the Cardinals&#8217; system towards the bottom of the overall rankings yet  ignoring or giving low rankings to players that I, and others, feel may be genuine prospects.<br />
At any rate, I generally respect the BA analysis of prospects or I would not have subscribed these many years.  I did feel that this year&#8217;s top 31 seemed to be less solid than usual and exercised my right as a kibbitzing, Cardinal prospect fan to state that.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Cardinal</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2011/01/31/some-thoughts-on-the-2011-top-ten-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-31220</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 23:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to see what Cleto does before I write him off.  He pitched in a terrible pitching environment last year.  He may not be much of a prospect but I value the fact that the Seattle GM who is thought of being a good prospect analyzer wanted him last year.  Let&#039;s see whether he pitches better in a better situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see what Cleto does before I write him off.  He pitched in a terrible pitching environment last year.  He may not be much of a prospect but I value the fact that the Seattle GM who is thought of being a good prospect analyzer wanted him last year.  Let&#8217;s see whether he pitches better in a better situation.</p>
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		<title>By: zuke354</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2011/01/31/some-thoughts-on-the-2011-top-ten-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-31204</link>
		<dc:creator>zuke354</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From that standpoint it would be fine. IF they are on the exact same level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From that standpoint it would be fine. IF they are on the exact same level.</p>
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		<title>By: Forsch31</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forsch31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was about Matt Carpenter...Goold said he put Carpenter into his top 10, but he was overruled by the BA editors: &quot;As one editor put it in a note:&quot;One good tool, and a bunch of ifs.&quot; For me, that was enough in the Cardinals system to be a Top 10. For others, they wanted more sizzle.&quot;

The thing to remember about prospect rankings is that they are affected by a lot of editorial consideration that has little to do with actual scouting. Whether one weighs tools over current or historical performance (see: Daryl Jones), weighing performance in low minors v. high minors, upside v. risk, small sample v. career outcomes, draft reports v. organizational time, weighing values of position or type of pitcher...all that has little to do with actually watching the player in question, and all of that affects the prospect&#039;s final position on an organizational prospect list. You bring up Taveras....even the fan lists disagree where he should be, because both Jeff at this blog and Dustin at Scout.com ranked Taveras outside of the Top 20 (Dustin actually ranked him at 23). Goold does a great job explaining some of that editorial decision-making and analysis in his blog post about the BA rankings: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_0bf68e18-1e89-11e0-a06a-0017a4a78c22.html

Also...as the Cardinals beat reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Goold has access to club officials whose job it is to evaluate the prospects in the system, and its obvious that he uses their input in creating his own rankings. That&#039;s an amount of access to knowledge evaluation from people who do see these players every day that the fan prospects do not have. Disregarding the Cardinals BA rankings because they disagree with what you believe is true based on the fan sites would be a mistake and a half. The fan sites do tend to be more familiar with the organization prospects than most media prospect services, but they are subject to the editorial considerations that we see in the media rankings, and because Goold writes the BA rankings, they do have the same familiarity that the fan sites do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was about Matt Carpenter&#8230;Goold said he put Carpenter into his top 10, but he was overruled by the BA editors: &#8220;As one editor put it in a note:&#8221;One good tool, and a bunch of ifs.&#8221; For me, that was enough in the Cardinals system to be a Top 10. For others, they wanted more sizzle.&#8221;</p>
<p>The thing to remember about prospect rankings is that they are affected by a lot of editorial consideration that has little to do with actual scouting. Whether one weighs tools over current or historical performance (see: Daryl Jones), weighing performance in low minors v. high minors, upside v. risk, small sample v. career outcomes, draft reports v. organizational time, weighing values of position or type of pitcher&#8230;all that has little to do with actually watching the player in question, and all of that affects the prospect&#8217;s final position on an organizational prospect list. You bring up Taveras&#8230;.even the fan lists disagree where he should be, because both Jeff at this blog and Dustin at Scout.com ranked Taveras outside of the Top 20 (Dustin actually ranked him at 23). Goold does a great job explaining some of that editorial decision-making and analysis in his blog post about the BA rankings: <a href="http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_0bf68e18-1e89-11e0-a06a-0017a4a78c22.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_0bf68e18-1e89-11e0-a06a-0017a4a78c22.html</a></p>
<p>Also&#8230;as the Cardinals beat reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Goold has access to club officials whose job it is to evaluate the prospects in the system, and its obvious that he uses their input in creating his own rankings. That&#8217;s an amount of access to knowledge evaluation from people who do see these players every day that the fan prospects do not have. Disregarding the Cardinals BA rankings because they disagree with what you believe is true based on the fan sites would be a mistake and a half. The fan sites do tend to be more familiar with the organization prospects than most media prospect services, but they are subject to the editorial considerations that we see in the media rankings, and because Goold writes the BA rankings, they do have the same familiarity that the fan sites do.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 17:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree and I have been fairly focal about this in the past.  But if you have a few guys rated about the same and one is a potential long term SS and one is another 3B/OF type....maybe you lean toward the SS.  I can tell you there are some fairly exciting SS in the 2011 draft class that can be had in the first few rounds.  I was merely stating a fact on where our system is at today and the weaknesses.  There are many ways to address this and the draft and IFA are 2 options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and I have been fairly focal about this in the past.  But if you have a few guys rated about the same and one is a potential long term SS and one is another 3B/OF type&#8230;.maybe you lean toward the SS.  I can tell you there are some fairly exciting SS in the 2011 draft class that can be had in the first few rounds.  I was merely stating a fact on where our system is at today and the weaknesses.  There are many ways to address this and the draft and IFA are 2 options.</p>
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		<title>By: zuke354</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuke354</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 17:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t like drafting for need. Take the best player available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t like drafting for need. Take the best player available.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Overall I think its hard to complain about the depth in our system currently.  We graduated a few iffy MLB players and don&#039;t have a ton of talent in our upper minors but combined with our lower minors the depth is definitely there.  This should allow for us to go with premium talent in the draft/IFA for 2011 instead of going for the depth.  A perfect year for that as well with the premium talent and depth in the 2011 draft class.  Overall the depth is more on the mound (RHP), corner INF&#039;s and C&#039;s.  We really need to address getting some premium talent in the MI if possible in this draft.  Kozma is in a critical year IMO and Jackson is the only other semi-exciting MI talent (not considering Cox a 2B).  Also if we can try to find some LHP with upside (like Gast last year) that would be ideal.  Most of our OF talent is raw and athletic...so many of them will never make it...so maybe some more established OF talent (like Longmire last year) would be great as well.  Here&#039;s to hoping 2011 is the year we see many of our prospects make the big jump to High A, AA or even AAA that are currently in the lower minors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall I think its hard to complain about the depth in our system currently.  We graduated a few iffy MLB players and don&#8217;t have a ton of talent in our upper minors but combined with our lower minors the depth is definitely there.  This should allow for us to go with premium talent in the draft/IFA for 2011 instead of going for the depth.  A perfect year for that as well with the premium talent and depth in the 2011 draft class.  Overall the depth is more on the mound (RHP), corner INF&#8217;s and C&#8217;s.  We really need to address getting some premium talent in the MI if possible in this draft.  Kozma is in a critical year IMO and Jackson is the only other semi-exciting MI talent (not considering Cox a 2B).  Also if we can try to find some LHP with upside (like Gast last year) that would be ideal.  Most of our OF talent is raw and athletic&#8230;so many of them will never make it&#8230;so maybe some more established OF talent (like Longmire last year) would be great as well.  Here&#8217;s to hoping 2011 is the year we see many of our prospects make the big jump to High A, AA or even AAA that are currently in the lower minors.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 13:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anymore power than Carpenter I mean]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anymore power than Carpenter I mean</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 13:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IMO unless Cox changes his swing he won&#039;t have any more power than Cox.  Does anyone know if Cox has been working to change his swing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO unless Cox changes his swing he won&#8217;t have any more power than Cox.  Does anyone know if Cox has been working to change his swing?</p>
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