This has been mentioned in passing a few times but with the graduation of Eduardo Sanchez and Fernando Salas to mainstays in the Cardinals’ bullpen and the knee injury to Adam Reifer, suddenly a farm system that looked rich in right handed relief prospects seems lacking.  We’ll traverse the system looking for pitchers who could be the next prominent relief prospect.

Memphis – Francisco Samuel, Jess Todd

It wasn’t that long ago that the troika of Samuel, Sanchez and Salas were mentioned in the same breath.  Samuel had the most consistent velocity on his fastball and the least consistent command. He’s been interrupted by some recurring injuries related to his arm. At 24, he’s still got some time but he seems like more of an afterthought at this point in his career.

Todd was claimed off waivers to help bolster an anemic Memphis bullpen.  Drafted in 2007 by the Cardinals, Todd needed just a single season to ascend to AAA Memphis. More surprisingly was that he did so as a starter. After being traded in 2009, Todd split time between the Cleveland Indians bullpen and AAA with respectable strikeout numbers.  There’s good statistical reasons to wonder why Todd was released at all and having just turned 25, it’s not to late for him to solidify a role in a bullpen.

Springfield – Blake King, Casey Mulligan

The demotion from Memphis to Springfield would seem to be the final bell tolling on King’s career. Mentioned as having, arguably, the best slider in the system, King has been undone by his awful control.  After a brief improvement last year, he’s walked more batters than he’s struck out in 2011. He’s the only ‘name’ pitcher in Springfield but it is highly unlikely that he reaches the majors with the Cardinals.

Mulligan has been sidelined by injuries but remains an interesting footnote to the conversion of Jason Motte. Mulligan’s plus changeup makes him an unusual right handed reliever that can retire left handed hitters. Drafted in 2007 out of high school, Mulligan is surprisingly young at 23.  His ascension through the system has been methodical and occasioned by demotions to give him further time to adjust to the opposition or bolster a faltering pen.

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Below Springfield, there are some unheralded relievers and Keith Butler would be chief among them who struck out 50 in 30 IP at Batavia in 2010.  Hector Corpas is a hard throwing Panamanian in low-A who has seen improved fastball control as he transitioned from Venezuelan to American leagues.  Boone Whiting posted 68 strikeouts to 5 walks across 13 appearances (9 starts) in Johnson City during 2010.  He’s continued to strikeout better than a batter an inning at Quad Cities in 2011.

While the low-minors contain some potentially good relievers, they’re still far removed from being in any near term discussion of contributing to the big leagues. The prospects in the high minors, perhaps excepting Jess Todd, are thoroughly underwhelming.

It’s worth mentioning that the Cardinals now have four relievers on their major league squad still under team control after this year: Jason Motte (3 years service), Mitchell Boggs (2 years service), Fernando Salas (1+ year service), Eduardo Sanchez (1 year service).  The need is not necessarily immediate but neither can they particularly afford to trade from this pool given the lack of obvious replacements in the minors.

The Cardinals do have a group of players that may be better suited to relief in the long term than starting though they are getting a chance at the latter right now. Adam Ottavino, David Kopp, Joe Kelly and Jordan Swagerty all come to mind.  It’s too early to pigeonhole the latter two but scouts have often regarded Kelly as a reliever and Swagerty, despite a surprise 2011, was not generally considered a starting prospect prior to the 2010 draft.  The former two may be forced to the pen in an effort to keep them healthy.

One other thing to mention is that the 2011 MLB draft (starting June 6th) is ripe with pitching prospects. I would be completely unsurprised to see the Cardinals take a college reliever with the ability to “move quickly” in the sandwich or second round much as they did in 2006 with Chris Perez.  Tony Zych or Anthony Meo would be college arms that could start in the minors but project more as relievers in the majors. If the Cardinals were to draft them in the sandwich round, they could fast track them to the majors if they committed to relieving from day one.  While I’m not necessarily an advocate of this approach, it’s one that the Cardinals have used before (though not recently) and it did pay some dividends.

38 Responses to “Dearth of Relief Pitching in Cardinals System”
  1. Andrew says:

    The Cardinals don’t have any sandwich picks this year. I would be horrified if we took a college reliever with our first pick. Even our second pick is at 79 and I doubt anyone dominate enough to move very quickly woul dbe avialable.

    • azruavatar says:

      You’re right. I’m not sure how I forgot that. I’ve been frustrated by the fact that they have so few picks in what is supposed to be a very good class. Still, second round would make sense for Meo

  2. RichardRich says:

    I would be sick if they took a reliever with one of those 2 high picks, we have enough high end SP prospects to look decent there and have more than enough solid to fringe SP prospects to make plenty of relievers. Our Baseballl America Top 10 had 8 pitchers listed and only one of them is in the majors.

  3. JC says:

    Don’t forget about Scott Bittle who is coming back from injury. If healthy he has a chance to move semi-quickly. He is in EST currently.

    I really see Ottavino being converted to a reliever sooner rather than later (If Boggs goes down and they put him in Memphis rotation does this trigger Ottavino starting his conversion? Pure speculation on my part). And definitely a big question mark if Kelly or Swagerty can be starter long term…its a safe bet at least one turns into a power bullpen arm.

    • sportsman says:

      i’ve felt this away: otto to the pen, for quite while

    • Felonius_Monk says:

      Didn’t realise Bittle was still in the system. One of my favourite draft picks of the last few years. Really looking forward to seeing what he can do, if his arm hasn’t dropped off completely!

      • JC says:

        That’s the key – on draft day it was known that he was a high risk/high reward guy. Injury concerns turned many teams off. So hopefully he can get it in gear this year for us.

  4. Lou Schuler says:

    Another bullpen arm to consider is Adam Wainwright. In the past we’ve seen guys like Matt Morris and John Smoltz return from TJ surgery as closers, then advance to the rotation the following year (more or less).

    We have a World Series trophy that attests to Wainwright’s ability to close out games.

    Maybe he’s our closer in 2012, taking the pressure off the system to produce one on short notice. By 2013 Sanchez might be ready to close, and AW can return to the rotation.

    • PJ says:

      Salas is 7 for 7. He has great command. Its his spot to lose I would think

    • hurricanejake says:

      Waino is way to valuable in the starting rotation. We’ve got guys that can close. they just need to continue to get used to being in those save situations.

  5. Indiana Cardinal says:

    Does anyone have a reid (intentional) on Chase Reid? The fact that he pitched superbly at Short Season, Batavia, last season, skipped Low A and has now been promoted from High A to AA indicates that he has some possibilities. What does he throw?

    With the other staters (Miller, Martinez, Cleto and Rosenthal), I think the starters you mentioned, Ottavino, Swaggerty, Kelly and Kopp (and even someone like Blair) are good candidates. Same thing, what about Lynn as a long reliever, if necessary? Historically breaking in (starting) pitchers in middle relief has been a good way to go. It was good for McClellan (and Wainwright/closing).

    I would think that by next spring Reifer should be available to help by the middle of 2012.

    Just like last year, when Garcia was put in the rotation out of spring training, instead of McClellan, alot of people (Strauss) ragged that the system was not as good as many (us/Luhnow) were honking. Well Garcia was the starter the system produced in 2010. They just didn’t take advantage of what they had in McClellan….until this season. Well this year the system has produced Salas and Sanchez and unfortunately Reifer got hurt. It is not realistic to expect an endless fountain of certain position prospects every year. Would be nice, but not realistic.

    Related, but different arm, the fact that Freeman and Wright are doing well is very encouraging because, if not this season, they really could benefit from developing some lefthanded relievers.

    • Andrew says:

      Reid has the top curveball in our system. I was at Spring Training and heard a coach say to another coach, if you wanna see a kid who can throw a curveball for a strike watch him (as Reid was pitching)

    • easy says:

      I don’t think anybody’s mentioned Cleto as a good bet to swing back to relief. If he continues to gain control he could be the blow ‘em away closer that we’d like to have.

      • hurricanejake says:

        Right now Cleto is pitching pretty well as a starter but I do think if he cant hack it as a starter he will probably get turned into a reliever.

  6. PJ says:

    You forgot a decent Middle relief prospect, Robert Stock :)

  7. VolsnCards5 says:

    AAA relief got a lot better today. Boggs demoted to Memphis. Franklin and Batista still with st. Louis. WTF Mo?

  8. I know his stuff is soft, and he can be figured out quickly. But with his breaking stuff, what about PJ Walters, for some middle inning relief? We can’t trade him, and he is a four A pitcher, but he can’t be much worse than batiste,and at least we get something for the investment. Not ideal, but could save some arms later on. Also would like to see Ottavino moved to pen, maybe this will keep him healthy for a whole season.

    • Felonius_Monk says:

      Definitely agree. Weak fastball + stuff that gets figured out 2nd or 3rd time thru a MLB rotation = move him to relief IMO. His FB might gain a couple of ticks (with a 92, 93mph heater his changeup would be much more effective) and he’s had enough success in a hitters’ league at AAA to suggest he has a shot at being a big-league setup guy. Can’t be any worse than Batista or Franklin.

  9. Gruntosaurus says:

    I find it very difficult to get too excited about a dearth of relief pitching for any reason other than concern over current results. There’s no more fungible commodity in baseball than right-handed setup men. The system will reload, and it may do it in time to help teams this year.

  10. GZ says:

    What about Ramon Delgado?

  11. Travis says:

    Someone tell me about Broderick, please. Don’t recall him that much and was shocked he was selected in the Rule 5 draft. Sounds like he was used in relief.

  12. HogwildCard says:

    As I recall, and someone correct me if I’m wrong, he was a tall starter with relatively average stuff who had a solid year last year with several mediocre to decent years before that. I don’t think he gets too much over 90-91 on his fastball.

  13. Indiana Cardinal says:

    Another question, does Chuckie Fick have any possibilities? What does he throw? He has done fairly well and is only one step away. Just asking?

    • Gruntosaurus says:

      McReliever. 25 years old, big tall guy, skinny as a rail, doesn’t throw especially hard but not a complete soft-tosser either, has been decent but not great in Memphis, walks too many. There are a zillion like him in the minor leagues. He’s better than most, probably, but still quite generic.

      When I saw him in Albuquerque (disclaimer: first time I ever saw him in person, and I’m not a scout), he looked a lot better than Valdes, King, etc., which is kinda damning with faint praise. There are a lot of moving parts and it may be difficult to refine his delivery to where he doesn’t walk 5+ guys per 9 as he does now. Even though they are of very different body types, I was reminded of Kelvin Jimenez for some reason.

    • pitch and hit says:

      Fick is up to 91-93 since last season.
      His dad is Charles Fick (Chuck), longtime scout for the organization.

      • Gruntosaurus says:

        Consistent with what we saw in ABQ, or at least the lower end of your range is. 91 isn’t particularly exciting. 93 is more so, but I don’t think he ever got there in the game we saw. It was just one game.

        Truthfully, he looked better than I expected him to, although he did wild-pitch home one of the guys that King had walked. That was quite a fiasco: King faced three batters to start an inning, walked two and hit one.

  14. Mrs. TLR says:

    Boggs, Ottavino, Cleto, Swagerty, Kelly, Samuel, Blair, Butler, etc., etc.

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