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	<title>Comments on: Round 1, Pick 22: Kolten Wong</title>
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		<title>By: Tackle Box</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2011/06/06/round-1-pick-22-kolten-wong/comment-page-1/#comment-43015</link>
		<dc:creator>Tackle Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 02:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree with almost every single sentence or phrase in this comment.  

This...

&quot;I think if Wong reached the majors, that’d be a plus, as I feel Wong will be a guy who’ll field, take walks, and steal some bases&quot;

is probably the only part I agree with.

So, a 2nd baseman who fields, walks and steals bases (oh, and he&#039;ll probably hit at least .270 or better) is no better than a platoon player.  What is it about him that leads you to &quot;platoon&quot;?  Right now, he&#039;s probably the best defensive 2nd baseman in the entire organization (granted, the competition isn&#039;t that grate) but I&#039;d also make the statement he might be, at worst, the 5th best middle infield defender in the organization (behind Punto, Descalso, Greene, Jackson).  The only guys I&#039;d be hesitant about, since I haven&#039;t seen them play is Donovan Solano and Jose Garcia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with almost every single sentence or phrase in this comment.  </p>
<p>This&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I think if Wong reached the majors, that’d be a plus, as I feel Wong will be a guy who’ll field, take walks, and steal some bases&#8221;</p>
<p>is probably the only part I agree with.</p>
<p>So, a 2nd baseman who fields, walks and steals bases (oh, and he&#8217;ll probably hit at least .270 or better) is no better than a platoon player.  What is it about him that leads you to &#8220;platoon&#8221;?  Right now, he&#8217;s probably the best defensive 2nd baseman in the entire organization (granted, the competition isn&#8217;t that grate) but I&#8217;d also make the statement he might be, at worst, the 5th best middle infield defender in the organization (behind Punto, Descalso, Greene, Jackson).  The only guys I&#8217;d be hesitant about, since I haven&#8217;t seen them play is Donovan Solano and Jose Garcia.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete Kozma is not a bad player.  He at least made it to the majors, he fields, can play multiple positions, and he takes walks (in the majors anyways).  I think if Wong reached the majors, that&#039;d be a plus, as I feel Wong will be a guy who&#039;ll field, take walks, and steal some bases, but looks to be a platoon player if he reaches the majors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete Kozma is not a bad player.  He at least made it to the majors, he fields, can play multiple positions, and he takes walks (in the majors anyways).  I think if Wong reached the majors, that&#8217;d be a plus, as I feel Wong will be a guy who&#8217;ll field, take walks, and steal some bases, but looks to be a platoon player if he reaches the majors.</p>
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		<title>By: Borschy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borschy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah,

Kolten Wong was possibly THE best hitter in the draft.  Don&#039;t let his size or even where he is from fool you.  Everyone will see that he wasn&#039;t overdrafted.  He is a solid second baseman and his bat is amazing.  Not everything is about power.  He could easily be one of the top 2nd baseman in the league once he gets to the bigs.  Pedroia did it with little power.  Wong projects the same.  A great pick in my opinion.  
Look at it this way, at least they didn&#039;t draft some big name pitcher that fizzles out or doesn&#039;t become anything like 70% of them do.  This was not only a safe pick, but a sound pick for their position in the Draft, and for the team needs around the infield and offense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Kolten Wong was possibly THE best hitter in the draft.  Don&#8217;t let his size or even where he is from fool you.  Everyone will see that he wasn&#8217;t overdrafted.  He is a solid second baseman and his bat is amazing.  Not everything is about power.  He could easily be one of the top 2nd baseman in the league once he gets to the bigs.  Pedroia did it with little power.  Wong projects the same.  A great pick in my opinion.<br />
Look at it this way, at least they didn&#8217;t draft some big name pitcher that fizzles out or doesn&#8217;t become anything like 70% of them do.  This was not only a safe pick, but a sound pick for their position in the Draft, and for the team needs around the infield and offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Wong&#039;s doubles, he hit 36 in &#039;09/&#039;10 in 120 games, and (at age 20) he figures to add at least a bit of strength/power over the next few years.

If you wanna say he&#039;ll hit just 28-30 doubles, well, that&#039;s only a difference of 5-7 total bases for the year, or about 10-12 points of slugging---which translates to maybe a third of a win. No big diff. :)

Anyway, I guess my central point would be that Wong&#039;s &quot;modest upside&quot; is actually a 4.5 to 5.5 WAR player in his prime. Not a superstar, of course....but I think &quot;borderline star&quot; is a very plausible description of such a contributor.

Until they are actually performing successfully in the majors, short ballplayers *tend* to be undervalued. And second basemen *tend* to be undervalued. And prospects who play in tough-hitting environments *tend* to be undervalued.

I think Wong, for these reasons and the others cited above, may turn out to be quite a bit better than many prognosticators expect. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Wong&#8217;s doubles, he hit 36 in &#8217;09/&#8217;10 in 120 games, and (at age 20) he figures to add at least a bit of strength/power over the next few years.</p>
<p>If you wanna say he&#8217;ll hit just 28-30 doubles, well, that&#8217;s only a difference of 5-7 total bases for the year, or about 10-12 points of slugging&#8212;which translates to maybe a third of a win. No big diff. :)</p>
<p>Anyway, I guess my central point would be that Wong&#8217;s &#8220;modest upside&#8221; is actually a 4.5 to 5.5 WAR player in his prime. Not a superstar, of course&#8230;.but I think &#8220;borderline star&#8221; is a very plausible description of such a contributor.</p>
<p>Until they are actually performing successfully in the majors, short ballplayers *tend* to be undervalued. And second basemen *tend* to be undervalued. And prospects who play in tough-hitting environments *tend* to be undervalued.</p>
<p>I think Wong, for these reasons and the others cited above, may turn out to be quite a bit better than many prognosticators expect. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 18:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t read all the comments, but enough to know he wasn&#039;t the fans choice. I like the pick. He&#039;s a potential .300 hitter with 12-15 hr pop along with 15-20 sb&#039;s from 2nd base. Every player isn&#039;t going to be a .900 ops guy. What we got was a guy that should be here in 2-3 years and if does what people think he will do, he&#039;ll be in the top half to third of 2nd baseman in the league. If we moved Tyler Greene to 2nd right now and he provided avg d, a .300 average, 15 hr, and 15 sb&#039;s most people would be loving it. I also liked the fact he was advertised as a good bunter and hit and run guy. He could be a perfect 2 hitter for a long time to come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read all the comments, but enough to know he wasn&#8217;t the fans choice. I like the pick. He&#8217;s a potential .300 hitter with 12-15 hr pop along with 15-20 sb&#8217;s from 2nd base. Every player isn&#8217;t going to be a .900 ops guy. What we got was a guy that should be here in 2-3 years and if does what people think he will do, he&#8217;ll be in the top half to third of 2nd baseman in the league. If we moved Tyler Greene to 2nd right now and he provided avg d, a .300 average, 15 hr, and 15 sb&#8217;s most people would be loving it. I also liked the fact he was advertised as a good bunter and hit and run guy. He could be a perfect 2 hitter for a long time to come.</p>
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		<title>By: buchek's bat</title>
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		<dc:creator>buchek's bat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah. That&#039;s sort of where I was about it when it first happened last night. Once I got over my initial disappointment that it wasn&#039;t one of the riskier and more potential-laden high school arms, I began to realize the Cardinals felt they weren&#039;t in a position this year to do that. I began to understand more fully what Luhnow was saying a few days ago.  I don&#039;t necessarily like it, but I understand it. So hopefully we have a middle infielder now who, before too long, can rise--even if only moderately-- above an overall averageness and suckitude that is the middle infield in this organization that runs from the top to nearly the bottom.  We&#039;ll see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. That&#8217;s sort of where I was about it when it first happened last night. Once I got over my initial disappointment that it wasn&#8217;t one of the riskier and more potential-laden high school arms, I began to realize the Cardinals felt they weren&#8217;t in a position this year to do that. I began to understand more fully what Luhnow was saying a few days ago.  I don&#8217;t necessarily like it, but I understand it. So hopefully we have a middle infielder now who, before too long, can rise&#8211;even if only moderately&#8211; above an overall averageness and suckitude that is the middle infield in this organization that runs from the top to nearly the bottom.  We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wong hit 10 doubles in his college year how do you project him to hit 35 as a pro?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wong hit 10 doubles in his college year how do you project him to hit 35 as a pro?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s crunch Wong&#039;s hypothetical MLB numbers, based on Baseball America&#039;s projection of &quot;10-15 homers annually as a pro.&quot;

The 20-year-old looks like a future .300 hitter, right? And he knows how to take a walk, and will also take a HBP (nine this year in 57 games).

So let&#039;s say Wong typically hits 12 HR&#039;s, with 35 doubles and 3 triples per year, to go along with his .300 average (everyone agrees the &quot;hit&quot; tool is a major strength) and 60 BB&#039;s, 10 HBP&#039;s.

Over a 550 AB season, that&#039;s a slash line of .300/.380/.440.

If the young man does that, while providing merely average glovework &amp; baserunning, that&#039;s about a 4-WAR player, I&#039;d guess.

While that isn&#039;t a star, it&#039;s a damn fine ballplayer. 

Now, let&#039;s say he hit&#039;s .310-.315, or pops 15-17 homers, or steals 40 bases in 50 tries, or turns into a plus defender---then you&#039;ve REALLY got yourself a player.

The more I look at this pick, the more I like it. (1)Wong&#039;s walk/whiff ratio improved every year of college (more than twice as many BB&#039;s than K&#039;s this year), (2)he succeeded in a very tough hitter&#039;s park, (3)he&#039;s been extremely durable, (4)he&#039;s younger than most college draftees, and (5)the switch to &quot;deader&quot; college bats affected him not a bit.

I&#039;m optimistic the Cards make the exact right pick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s crunch Wong&#8217;s hypothetical MLB numbers, based on Baseball America&#8217;s projection of &#8220;10-15 homers annually as a pro.&#8221;</p>
<p>The 20-year-old looks like a future .300 hitter, right? And he knows how to take a walk, and will also take a HBP (nine this year in 57 games).</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s say Wong typically hits 12 HR&#8217;s, with 35 doubles and 3 triples per year, to go along with his .300 average (everyone agrees the &#8220;hit&#8221; tool is a major strength) and 60 BB&#8217;s, 10 HBP&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Over a 550 AB season, that&#8217;s a slash line of .300/.380/.440.</p>
<p>If the young man does that, while providing merely average glovework &amp; baserunning, that&#8217;s about a 4-WAR player, I&#8217;d guess.</p>
<p>While that isn&#8217;t a star, it&#8217;s a damn fine ballplayer. </p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s say he hit&#8217;s .310-.315, or pops 15-17 homers, or steals 40 bases in 50 tries, or turns into a plus defender&#8212;then you&#8217;ve REALLY got yourself a player.</p>
<p>The more I look at this pick, the more I like it. (1)Wong&#8217;s walk/whiff ratio improved every year of college (more than twice as many BB&#8217;s than K&#8217;s this year), (2)he succeeded in a very tough hitter&#8217;s park, (3)he&#8217;s been extremely durable, (4)he&#8217;s younger than most college draftees, and (5)the switch to &#8220;deader&#8221; college bats affected him not a bit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m optimistic the Cards make the exact right pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He also has a HUGE character concern according to some reports I have read on the kid.  Shelby Miller didn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also has a HUGE character concern according to some reports I have read on the kid.  Shelby Miller didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: siddfynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>siddfynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your exceptions are proving the rule here.  And as for Cole and Allie, they were most definitely considered top arms, even with question marks.  Fact is, the guy asked how often top arms fell to 22, and clearly it happens quite a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your exceptions are proving the rule here.  And as for Cole and Allie, they were most definitely considered top arms, even with question marks.  Fact is, the guy asked how often top arms fell to 22, and clearly it happens quite a bit.</p>
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