Only 3 games on the docket, with a full slate coming on Thursday. A late comeback gave the organization a winning night.
To the DFR!
Springfield 5, Tulsa 3
D’Marcus Ingram went 3-for-4, falling a HR short of the cycle.
Chris Swauger, Alex Castellanos and Zack Cox (2B) all went 1-for-4.
Steven Hill hit a Big Fly, going 2-for-2 with 2 RBI.
Audry Perez and Ryan Jackson both went 2-for-4.
Maikel Cleto picked up the win as the starter, going 6.0 IP with 7 H, 2 ER on 1 BB and 9 K.
Samuel Freeman threw a perfect, 2 K inning.
Nick Greenwood walked a man and struckout a man in 1 IP.
Jorge Rondon picked up the save despite giving up a run on 3 H. He had 1 K.
Palm Beach 1, Fort Myers 5
Alan Ahmady, Raniel Rosario and Xavier Scruggs all went 1-for-4.
Juan Castillo and Ted Obregon went 1-for-3 each.
Eric Fornataro took the loss, giving up 4 R (1 ER) on only 5 H and 1 BB. He struckout 3 over 6 IP.
Brett Zawacki threw 1 IP with 1 H and 1 K.
Christopher Corrigan had 2 K, 2 H and 1 ER in 1 IP.
Riverbandits 4, Lansing 3
Colin Walsh went 2-for-4 with a 2B.
Cody Stanley went 1-for-4 with a 3 RBI double as part of a 4-run 6th inning.
Victor Sanchez went 1-for-4.
Virgil Hill was 1-for-3.
Seth Blair gave up 3 ER on 3 BB, 3 H and 4 K in 5 IP.
Dean Kiekhefer picked up the comeback win with 3 IP of scoreless, 1 H baseball with 2 K.
Aiden Lucas recorded the save with 1 IP, 1 H and 1 K.
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Lot of pitching names i not familiar with.
Cleto with a strange line. Lots of hits, but lots of K’s
7 hits isn’t an unusual amount for 6 innings. As he didn’t give up much extra-base contact I’m guessing it’s mostly groundballs and a few cans of corn that found the OF grass. Looks like a high-quality outing to me.
Good to see Cleto bounce back and return to form.
Is Cleto becoming a prospect worthy of top ten organizational consideration, or is he still tagged with the future reliever tag?
I’d say it depends a little if you include the 2011 draftees yet. I think Tilson and Wong push him down a touch but I have him as about my #7 or 8 out of the signed guys at the moment. Just drawing up a quick list (and not including guys who’ve played more than a couple of MLB innings this year):
1. Miller
2. Martinez
3. Cox
4. Carpenter
5. Taveras
6. Lynn
7. Jenkins
8. Cleto
9. Kelly
10. Pham
Something like that. Although I get the feeling I forgot somebody. Wong might fit in around the 6/7 range, Tilson might just be about 10.
He made my list as well, which I thought was odd since I don’t recall thinking very highly of him at the time of the trade. Thought I might be way off on that one.
1. Miller
2. Martinez
3. Cox
4. Wong
5. Jenkins
6. Taveras
7. Rosenthal
8. Lynn
9. Tillson
10. Cleto
Not sure if that is a compliment for him or a knock on the system
Miller
Martinez
Cox
Wong
Lynn
Jenkins
Tavarez
Adams
Swagerty
Kelly
Just miss: Rosenthal, Jackson, Cleto
Jackson is only batting .254 and has a lower than .700 OPS.
I don’t think he’s anywhere close to being a Top 10 prospect at the moment.
I don’t get your guys’ lists. Cleto just moved up to AA from A and has nearly identical K, BB, and HR rates. His FIP is 3.30, and his K/9 is 10.20. Additionally, he has the stuff to match the numbers. I’m not sure what more you can look for in a guy than talent and performance.
Felonius — I assume the guy you forgot was Matt Adams.
1. Miller
2. Martinez
3. Cox
4. Wong
5. Cleto
6. Jenkins
7. Lynn
8. Adams
9. Carpenter
10. Taveras
I’m open to some changes on this list, but I don’t see how Jenkins can rank ahead of Cleto when he hasn’t pitched yet. Jenkins is all upside, no performance. Cleto also has a ton of upside, if less than Jenkins, AND he’s cruising through AA right now. He was ranked low before this year because he hadn’t been able to harness his stuff, but this year he has lowered his walk rate and raised his K rate substantially; I might actually have him ranked too low here, but I’ll leave it as is for now.
On Cleto, good points but one does need to look at his minor league stats prior to this season. Not nearly as impressive.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5529&position=P
I guess it comes down to what one sees in Cleto. When we got him, he was billed as a big arm reliever with trouble throwing strikes. Jenkins has the potential to be a top of the rotation starter (emphasizing the ‘potential’ part of that statement). The Cards converted Cleto to a starter and the conversion has borne immediate fruit. Only time will tell how he turns out. I think Cleto’s future lies in the bullpen but like that the Cardinals are trying to polish him up into a starter. Jenkins is hard to rank at all due to lack of a track record, either pro or college. Hard to disagree with your ranking based on that point alone.
I agree he struggled prior to this year, but the scouting reports were always there; he just needed to gain some control and develop his secondary pitches. His performance, I think, is a result of him making progress in those areas, and that’s why his previous track record doesn’t bother me.
Cleto has always been a starter, but was most often projected as a reliever due to a lack of secondary pitches. If he has developed those and can continue that development, then he’ll start in the majors.
Another big reason for his new found sucess is that the Cardinals saw and then had Cleto fix/change some parts of his delivery, which led to better control, which led to the better numbers. He has and is continuing to improve as a starter and I would hope that the Cardinals continue to let him start. He would be an asset at the back end of a future rotation -> Waino, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, ( Jenkins, Cleto, Kelly, Lynn or whoever else you’d want to slot in the 5 spot.)
Cleto has always been a starter. Agreed, though, that he’s had control issues in the past.
Not sure how Taveras isn’t at worst in your top five. A five-tool talent that has played well. That is unless you’re projecting him to miss most of the season. Don’t understand how at this point you can have guys like Jenkins and Adams ahead of Taveras.
He has only played 14 games against real competition; numbers from the Rookie League and GCL aren’t that meaningful. I like Taveras a lot, but it’s hard to rank him higher than guys that have played and played well at the higher levels, especially when he has been this injury prone. If he had been healthy and playing well, he’d probably be 6th or 7th in my mind, but until he gets back on the field I can’t rank him above Carpenter (who was holding his own and displaying great OBP at AAA before getting called up), Adams (who is raking at AA), or Lynn (who is more or less already a MLB-level 4th or 5th starter).
Every persons top 10 has different things that are considered such as chance to be a pro or chance to be a impact player. Some rate likely to make the bigs in some form higher some rate the potential to make an impact and be a very good player higher. Seeing Taveras in person he’s the best player I’ve seen in Low A in person ever.
Sure, everyone has their own idea of how to measure a prospect. I won’t dispute that; I’m just explaining how I arrived at my rankings.
It doesn’t explain your having put Jenkins 6th.
@Hugecardsfan — Nobody asked.
I’m guessing from your ranking below that you think I have Jenkins high. Despite his not having any performance record, I think Jenkins’ potential is high enough that I’ve ranked him above the others.
To clarify the difference between Jenkins and Taveras: Taveras has a lot of potential too, however, I think it’s lower than that of Jenkins’ and he has a similar amount of inexperience, plus injury concerns.
For me, Jenkins and Taveras are both guys that could shoot up or down the list once they get some more playing time, but until then this is my best guess.
No, I didn’t forget Matt Adams. He isn’t in my top 10. Think he might’ve moved up to 12ish on my list, although if you include Wong and Tilson he’d drop a couple of spots, perhaps.
I take all your points about Cleto although I do worry he’s destined for relief (perhaps). I really like him and have done since we signed him and I kinda agree about Jenkins (I think he’s as high as he is on my list due to the general opinion of him here, which I concede to despite not having seen him pitch), so in both cases you could move them up/down a little.
All that said, though, outside the top 5 the next 7 or 8 players are all of similar value in my head. You could have Lynn at 6 or 12 and I’d be perfectly happy, likewise Jenkins and Cleto.
Chitown has reminded me, actually – the guy I forgot was Swagerty.
Despite the fact he’s quite possibly a reliever in the end, I can’t overlook how polished he looks (despite limited upside) and his excellent results this year. I’ll say he’s my no.9, so push Kelly and Pham back one spot, respectively.
Obviously I don’t entirely agree or our lists would be identical, but I do agree that there are a lot of prospects in the system that you could move up or down rankings pretty easily — which is good.
I think that Cleto will stay a starter until he struggles, and he’s not struggling right now. He’s 6-3 so he has the size to be a starter, but it’s his secondary offerings that are causing concern as I understand it. I think his success this season is likely due to improvement in that area as well as improved control, so right now I’m high on his chances to start.
If I were to expand my list to 15, 11-15 would probably be like Rosenthal, Pham, Tilson, Swagerty, and … I dunno … Reifer I guess (I know he’s out, but I like him, and I’m pretty sold on him being a reliever of some kind for the Cardinals when he’s back).
Mine would be this, I don’t think people regard Taveras as highly as they should. Especially if you take upside into the equation.
Miller
Martinez
Taveras
Cox
Jenkins
Adams
Rosenthal
Wong
Swagerty
Cleto
I think at this point in time, you’ve got to give the nod to Cox given that he’s a bit more advanced. First full season in the farm system, and he’s in AA. Oscar Taveras, while impressive, has struggled to stay healthy this year.
I almost completely agree with this list. While I’m not sold on Cox or Wong being anymore than an average MLB player they do seem to have high floors.
I’m not a big Cox fan either. Just not enough pop, given his modest glove, to be much more than an average 3B IMO. He’d probably be lower on my list if not for his likely trade value being higher than most of the rest due to his high draft reputation. I can see the bat working in the majors, though.
I think Cox and MCarp have similar ceilings, and Carp is closer to it. I could rank them about the same, TBH.
I’d be more inclined with the following:
Miller
Martinez
Taveras
Adams
Wong
Cleto
Swagerty
Cox
Rosenthal
Jenkins
The first four have shown that they can perform at the professional level. Wong is purely on potential and likelihood to meet a Cardinal need sooner rather than later. I expect him to play in St Louis in late 2012 if not…by 2013. Cleto and Swagerty have been consistent all year. Cox has sporadically produced and clearly has talent. Rosenthal too has talent and has been mostly consistent albeit at a low level… Jenkins is raw talent.
Your ranking of Wong and Tilson seems just based on draft position. Kozma was picked in the 1st round but that has not meant anything. We have no idea how they will perform professionally. We honestly do not even know what their raw talent level is.
It seems much more prudent with prospect rankings to exclude those that have insufficient minor league data, or at the very least, those with no minor league service time.
Jenkins therefore should be in that category since he has only pitched 3 innings in the minors and that was in Rookie ball (Rookie ball not even being a good indication of anything either because a lot of those players are coming right out of high school and college as well, some of which our prospects just played against).
They’re ranked on scouting reports and potential. This is done all the time.
Agreed, in general. I think Wong is solidly in the 4 spot. But can’t see Tillson there, over others like Swagerty, who, IMO, and barring injury, will no doubt be a ML player.
I’d take people like Pham over Tillson easily (obviously, just MO).
Me too. I’d have Tilson about 12 or 13-ish, I think. Wong in the 5-8 range.
Scouting reports and supposed potential based on HS or college numbers pale in comparison to actually how you do in the minors.
Luke Hochevar was taken #1 just a few years ago. His potential was supposedly very high and scouting reports liked him. He wasn’t all that amazing in the minors.
Given the fact that everything before players ACTUALLY play in the minors is mere speculation and that most of the time players drafted do not even succeed in the minors, I think it foolish to base rankings on draft prospects that have seen ZERO action in professional ball.
Tell me what makes more sense? Ranking a guy that you hope in a year or two puts up a .900 OPS at AA or ranking a guy who is ACTUALLY doing it? I think it is a fairly easy answer.
I can’t relate to the pessimism there seems to be for the system. There is a LOT to like here.
Miller is a Top Ten prospect (in all of the minors I mean). Meanwhile Martinez, Cox, Cleto, and possibly Wong have solid cases to be on Top 100 lists (I know Martinez is fairly high on Keith Law’s).
There’s a lot of upside in Miller, Martinez, Cleto, and Jenkins. There are some solid future contributors to the system in Cox, Wong if he signs, Lynn, and Carpenter.
Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus ranked the Cardinals 21st in the system rankings (which isn’t that bad), and almost everyone on his Top Ten list has played well this year (except Blair). Meanwhile Cleto and Adams are both having HUGE years so far, and weren’t on the Top Ten.
Plus the system just graduated a ton of talent to the majors: Craig, Jay, Descalso, Sanchez, Salas, Greene, etc.
Looking at the MLB roster, 16 players were drafted/signed and developed in the minor leagues (17 if you count K-Mac on the DL), and only Pujols, Yadi, and Wainwright are no long in their cost-controlled years. THAT’S impressive.
Interesting that both you and Felonious Monk leave Adams off your list. Curious if that is an oversight or you don’t view him as prospect.
Thanks
I view him as a prospect, just that I think his upside is league-average 1B. All the other guys on my list either play more premium positions or have a higher upside (or, in the solitary case of Lynn, are just a bit closer to the majors). I’d have him after Swagerty (who I forgot) and, if we include 2011 drafts, Wong and Tilson too. So he’s in my 12-14 range.
Adams HAS to crack that list. Kelly and Pham ahead of Adams? Adams and Pham are on the same team and Adams clearly is hitting better.
All Jenkins has done is throw only 3 IP in rookie ball last year. Taveras has only played 14 games above rookie ball. I don’t think either have generated enough data to be in the top 10 prospect rankings.
Adams is probably #3 on my list given his dominance only two levels from the majors and that this is not some fluke, he hit very well at Quad Cities as well last year.
“Adams and Pham are on the same team and Adams clearly is hitting better.”
Seems like a really myopic comment to me. Surely you realise there’s more to baseball than hitting homeruns? Adams is a bad-bodied, bad-fielding 1B. Pham is an athletic CF. The difference in defensive value between a decent CF and a bad 1B is atronomical. Adams has to absolutely hit Pham off the park to bridge that gap (given their ages are pretty much the same) and he hasn’t done that.
People here consistently under-rate what Pham’s done the last couple of years, and consistently under-rate exactly how much a defensively-suspect 1B has to MASH to have any value.
For me, there’s not even an argument that Adams is a better prospect than Pham (and I concede that there is a fair argument for Adams over some of the low-upside pitching guys like Lynn or Kelly, or the low minors high-upside guys like Jenkins or Tilson, but over Pham, a guy who’s hit only a little worse and is worth 2WAR/yr more due to his glove and position? No way.).
These are good points, but there’s still a case to be made for Adams over Pham.
Pham is a CF with good numbers in a hitter’s park. Adams is a bad 1B with MONSTER numbers in a hitter’s park. I’m more bullish about Adams’ chances to hit the ball going forward than Pham, though Pham has a much better chance at a bench role in the majors.
I won’t fault you for having Pham higher, but there are arguments for Adams.
I don’t think there is even a question, Adams will be at least at DH or 1b or Matt Stairs type pinch hitter.
The only MLB hitter I think you can easily compare him to is Pablo Sandoval. I don’t think Stairs is a great comp because he takes walks (career 12% BB rate).
I think the question of whether he makes it (other than as a fringey AAAA-type) is still valid because there’s really no-one with Adams’ skillset who’s done anything in MLB in recent years. It’s an odd skillset to have for a pro ballplayer, which worries me a little about his ability to adapt to the highest level.
We have had this discussion before but in the last few weaks his walk rate has increased. It’s something he can learn but personal I and the team in general probably rather he continue to kill the ball rather than taking walks. I’ve seen 2 games where he takes the first pitch of the game and the first time he drilled a line drive off the center field wall on a line and the second he hit an opposite field homerun. He seems to have a knack of making pitchers pay if they throw a meat ball up there.
@Felonius His walk rate is currently 7%. That’s a workable walk rate; guys with comparable walk rates last year include Corey Hart, Victor Martinez, and Josh Hamilton. Obviously I don’t expect him to be Josh Hamilton, but he could maybe hit like Martinez.
@Andrew Adams has been out for a week. He did walk more in May than in April, but I wonder how much of that was due to pitchers pitching around him more. He won’t be mashing a .677 SLG in the majors, thus he won’t be pitched around at the same rate, so he’ll definitely need to draw more walks if he’s going to keep his OBP near .400 in the future.
I am glad you can now tell us what the team prefers Andrew.
Of course the equivelant would be the team prefering Shelby just mow down batters with his fastball rather than give up a few hits and walks while working on his curveball and of course we know that is not the case.
Not on the Adams bandwagon yet?
I’m not. Since 2000, only three first basemen have had over 1 WAR with a walk rate below 7%, which is what Adams is currently posting, and statistically walk rates drop on average 10% of a players total when switching from minor league totals to major leagues.
Those three players are Shea Hillibrand, Jorge Cantu and kendrys morales. Hillebrand amazing stayed around the major leagues for years despite posting a career .326 woba, but also played over half his career at third base, allowing for a positional adjustment to up his WAR.
Jorge Cantu is very similar in that he has played multiple positions and benefited from positional adjustments despite a career .326 wOBA.
So the real comparable here is Kendrys Morales who has played all but 76 innings at first base. His Career 4 WAR are aided by his slightly above average defense to a small amount, but his career . 352 wOBA has done most of the work. He has struck out 17% of the time, and walked 6.9% in his big league career, which would be optimistic but not unreasonable to expect out of adams. that’s 4 war in 330 career games, making morales a tick under league average for his career. Not a useless player, but not someone to get extremely excited about either.
In a nutshell, First base requires a very high level of offensive performance, and It would be an aberration for adams to meet even Morales levels of production.
So you want Adams to take pitches…for the sake of taking pitches then?
clearly, that’s what he’s saying.
Sigh.
I think I would go:
1. Miller
2. Martinez
3. Cox
4. Taveras (upside and how he performed prior to injury this year is just too big to slide any further)
5. Lynn
6. Wong
7. Cleto (hope he can keep in going)
8. Rosenthal
9. Adams (this guy can absolutely rake)
10. Kelly (have been surprised at how well he is taking to starting)
Man do we ever have some pitching potential in the system. Nice to have multiple SPs in the top 10 at AA/AAA. In my opinion 11-15 offers some eventual ML caliber players as well: Tilson, Jenkins, Pham, Swaggerty, etc. . .. Not counting Carpenter b/c I have a sneaking suspicion he may be up for a while, but I think I would slide him in at 7 or 8.
He’s still a future reliever in my eyes.
Assuming everyone signs, this is my top 15 prospects. I’m also going to assume that players like Eduardo Sanchez and Fernando Salas lose their rookie status for next year.
1.) SP Shelby Miller
2.) SP Carlos Martinez
3.) 3B Zack Cox
4.) OF Oscar Taveras
5.) 3B Matt Carpenter
6.) 1B Matt Adams
7.) 2B Kolten Wong
8.) SP Lance Lynn
9.) CF Charlie Tilson
10.) SP Tyrell Jenkins
11.) SP Trevor Rosenthal
12.) RP Jordan Swagerty
13.) SP Joe Kelly
14.) RP Mikael Cleto
15.) SS Ryan Jackson
My turn!
1. Shelby Miller
2. Carlos Martinez
3. Zack Cox
4. Oscar Taveras
5. Kolten Wong
6. Matt Adams
7. Trevor Rosenthal
8. Mikael Cleto
9. Tyrell Jenkins
10. Charlie Tilson
Also, where would we rank Andrew Brown on our lists? I personally can’t find a place for him in my top 15. Is that just me, or do others have that same problem?
Andrew Brown isn’t in my top 30, I don’t think. He’s a slightly better version of Nick Stavinoha.
Andrew Brown is not a prospect. He’s replacement level AAAA filler. It’s nice to have in case there is an onslaught of injuries, but that’s it.
I wonder what seth blair would be like if he threw more strikes
Not yet noted: The DSL is underway. The Cards are 0-6. They’re near the bottom in almost every offensive category. Just to pick one, their 54 total bases are third from last in a 33-team league. The team ERA of 5.19 is also third from last.
I don’t recognize many of the names, so I guess most of the best players from last year’s team, which did pretty well IIRC, are in EST getting ready to play on our short-season teams.
They’ve got an 18yr. old catcher by the name of Baez that’s not doing too bad for 6 games in for a losing team.
If we get Wong signed quickly, where are you guys thinking he’ll start out? PB?
I would think he would get a quick stint at Quad Cities before finishing up the season with Palm Beach. I would think he would be an obvious AFL pick as well.
QC I’d have thought. PB is a REAL push for a collegiate IMO, given it’s a bit of a hitters’ graveyard. I think Cox’s bat came with more rep than Wong’s and I bet it was a tough decision between QC and PB for him. I reckon they give Wong an easier start and try to move him quickly next year.
I’m not sure I agree Wong has been a better hitter longer. Cox wasn’t that great as a Freshman. Wong has 3 years of hitting success under his belt at Hawaii.
I think it’s fair to say that Brett Wallace was a better hitter than either Cox or Wong, and even he started at Quad Cities. Granted, he was jumped to AA at the very end of the year. Still, I think it’s a safe bet that Wong starts there too.
I guess it’s hard to compare. Cox played in a better league, don’t forget (although Wong’s home park is apparently a nightmare to hit in). If Wong signs early he also has the benefit of more time – he can spend 2-3 months in QC and start in PB his second year, on a pace with Cox.
I’d say Quad Cities is his most likely landing spot. Assuming he hits well there, a promotion there after could push him to Palm Beach. Starling Rodriguez has been hitting well at Quad Cities. They could opt to push Rodriguez to Palm Beach and replace Greg Garcia, and then insert Kolten Wong as Quad Cities’ starting second baseman.
Where is Roberto de la Cruz?
Are they putting him in short-season ball again? He didn’t exactly dominate it in 2010 and he’s still only about 19 I think isn’t he?
He only got a few AB’s at Johnson City at the end of last year. He will be starting there.
He’s on Johnson City’s roster.
@felonius—ROSENTHALLLLL!!!!
Tiny bit over-rated IMO, sorry :-) and I know you love him. Probably can make a fair argument for him at the end of the top 10 and in reality he’s probably 12 or 13 on my list and, as I said, I don’t see a lot of difference in value between 6 and 12 in our farm system.
Actually, I’m gonna rethink that, having had another look at his stats. Loving the K rate. Swagerty and Rosenthal at 10 and 9, respectively. Pham and Kelly just miss out.
Speaking of prospect status. . . does anyone have any guesses as to whether one of both of Freeman/Greenwood has a shot at being at least a LOOGY in a year or two. I’ve seen each a couple of times this year and neither looks dominant to my untrained eye, but both are getting results and aren’t significantly too old for AA. I’m hoping we push one or both in the second half with a memphis promotion to see better how close they are to contributing. Doesn’t seem like Miller should/will be around next year, don’t have a great feel for Tallet.
Tallet isn’t really a LOOGY; minimal split. I hope both he and Miller are gone next year, but I’m not too hopeful about any internal guys. I’d probably rather see Gast given a try in an emergency than Freeman or Greenwood.
I don’t know what you can possibly have against Freeman. The guy has been solid ever since we’ve had him.
How has Freeman done this year? Last we heard his velocity wasn’ tback to pre TJ level which is expected only shortly after starting to throw again. Any word on if his velocity is on the climb?
Freeman’s really struggled horribly in AA. I know he’s only thrown a few innings there. I guess he’s got a chance of making it, but he’s 24 now and I worry if those injuries have affected him. Looked like he had a chance to make the team (or be 3rd choice LOOGY) at some point last year, and now he’s a 24-year old with a terrible K/BB rate in AA. I’d love him to succeed as it would really help the club, but I think the odds are somewhat against it ATM.
What pitching did Wong face in the WAC Conference?
IMO… I would give young players a pass on the first year of pro ball while they figure it out. Some may jump right in while some may need to adjust.
I have and always will, have a hard time ranking someone who hasn’t done anything over someone who is a proven player in our system.
From Matt Leach:
“He played on a team that faced some very nice non-conference competition (including Texas, Cal State-Fullerton, Oregon and Wichita State).”
http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/2011/06/07/some-thoughts-context-and-details-on-the-pick/
Just stating that we ought to temper our enthusiasm while the young guys are trying to figure it out. Goodness knows we need a 2nd baseman that can hit!
For what it’s worth, you always want to catch good teams that are dealing with cold weather early in the season like they did with Oregon and Texas. Hawaii played Oregon right of the Alumni game followed by the Texas series. He did hit .350 vs Oregon and then .310 vs Texas (he was 2-11 in the first two games of the Texas series and then had a 3-5 night). He only played one game vs Cal State and went 0-4, and then hit .250 vs Wichita. He did go off in the conference tourney and hit .410 in 4 games.
I agree it’s important to note stuff like that, but the guy also was MVP of the Cape Cod League — he’s faced good competition. He’s not a lock to be our future 2nd baseman, but he’s as good a bet as anyone else.
Can’t see much logic fr Tilson aboe Jenkins. Tilson was ranked #50 pre draft while wn’t Jenkins ranked around #25-3- but fell over signing concerns? Neither has really played yet. You might bump Tilson’s ranking up slightly due to a better overall class but not sure it would be enough for him to pass Jenkins.
I clearly see the Cards preparing for Rasmus to leave via FA in three yrs, if not before via trade. They drafted 4 CF and have 2 good prospects already in system(Taveras and Pham), I don’t like Colby’s style or attitude and say get something good in trade either this off season or next year.
I don’t think that’s a good idea at all. Colby is a great player still in the beginning of his career. I don’t know if there’s much I’d trade him for. Especially while he’s still under cost controlled years. IMO
And I don’t like people who make personnel decisions based on nebulous opinions of “style” and “attitude”.
And Taveras is a RF.
Look Man, Either you are a hustling type player or not. Colby ain’t!!!He continues to frustrate me in all facets of his game kinda like Drew did. That’s why I suspect the Crads are thinking like me ,cover yourself well in prospects and hope 1 comes throgh big time!!
It looked like he just thought the ball was gone….. he just doesn’t seem to judge the ball well.
You can keep your So Taguchis and your Skip Schumakers. I prefer talented players to “hustlers”, myself. I guess that’s just where some people differ.
I like Colby I’m not talking about this being hustle, he simply thought it was gone and shouldn’t have made the assumption even if he’s trotting in that direction he’s able to turn on the burners when he sees it hit the wall and hold the guy to a double. This wasn’t an issue of a lack of hustle then was just an airhead play. All guys have them and Colby’s still young so I guess it’s ok but he needs to learn.
How long is Colby going to be considered young? When I was his age I was driving $300 million dollar ships with 300 men on them and playing chicken with Russian ships of equivelant or larger size in the middle of the Baltic Ocean – and I was making a heck of a less amount of money.
I agree I dont think Rasmus is as talented as you think thats all!!!
It would be incredibly foolish to trade a legitimate offensive threat at a premium defensive position like Colby before his cost-controlled years are over. That’s about as polite as I can put it.
That won’t be until after the 2014 season. After that, I’m not opposed to letting Colby walk, but it’s equally foolish to think we can make that decision three years in advance — that just leads to big mistakes. The team will keep Colby through his arbitration years, and then make a decision based on Colby’s performance, and the performance of the CFs in the minors. They’re not dumb enough to make a decision before that, regardless of attitudes or anything else.
I really don’t think Taveras ends up in CF think he will be too big and strong for that in a few years.
Why do we use these euphanisms for losing speed? you can be as big and strong as you want and still be a CF.
Haha felonius–you came around on rosenthal…soon you all will…oh yes, you all will