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I apologize for being entirely off topic here, but what would you all think of an exchange with San Diego centering around Heath Bell, Ryan Ludwick and Colby Rasmus? Maybe even Jason Bartlett?
in order: just a reliever though a good one; a COF not any better than what we have but much more expensive; an above-average cost-controlled centerfielder worth a lot; and a shortstop more or less identical to what we have who as a bonus costs a lot of money.
in shortened form: no.
My thought process is that Heath Bell would probably command a guy like Rasmus (slumptastic, albeit cost controlled CF). We could use some offensive punch (Luddy). Bartlett, to me, is at worst a better fielder than The Riot. At best, he is all around a superior player.
you’re overestimating the likely haul for bell (name the last comparable position player who went in a trade for a partial season rental of a reliever), overestimating how much punch ludwick supplies (career wOBA .346), and overestimating bartlett all around (hasn’t been an average fielder since 2008, projected to hit .314 in wOBA the rest of the way; bartlett’s been worth 0.9 war, and theriot 0.6, which makes them virtually indistinguishable).
Agree with Tom. That is a steep price for a FA who will be looking for a big contract at the same time as the games best player. Ludwick is expensive for a guy prone to the same slumps as Colby.
If we’re trading Rasmus, we ought to be looking at Jose Reyes or Hanley Ramirez. Not Heath F’ing Bell.
Heath Bell is a fat 32 year old over paid pitcher. Do we really want to get into trading young players for old guys again. Lets not revisit the Chris Perez trade which was absolutely stupid. If the Cardinals would spend a little money in the off season then they would not have to even contemplate making idiotic trades like that. Mark Derosa is out of baseball now and actually admitted that he had the wrist injury prior to being traded to STL and just didn’t say anything. Now Chris Prerez will be an elite closer for another 12 years… need I say anymore… I hate it when a team is idiotic like the Cards and refuses to spend in the off season to address needs and instead trades away their young talent during the season.
The answer is NO…….
CHRIS PEREZ IS NOT GOOD.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL PEOPLE STOP PROPAGATING THIS MYTH.
HE IS A MEDIOCRE RELIEVER.
Jeez. Thankyou.
When the De Rosa trade was made, I was far more upset to see The Destroyer go. Motte was ahead of Perez at the time. Let go Jack….
“Not good”? Have you looked at what he’s actually been doing this year and last? If the Cardinals had half a dozen “not good” relievers like that, I’d even be willing to let them keep Franklin around as a palliative for TLR’s and DD’s obsession with grizzled veterans.
chris perez has a 4.52 xFIP, which means he’s been getting ridiculously lucky. he has a BABIP against of .250, a LOB rate of 80%, and a 2.7% HR/FB rate. he walks a batter once every two innings.
sure, his ERA looks nice, but so did miguel batista’s about three weeks ago.
I agree that the trade is ridicolous that was mentioned but Mizz why do you bring up DeRosa so much? It was the correct move at the time we just had really bad luck with the injury. You don’t seem to remember how bad we were at 3b in 09. The trade was needed it’s unfortunate that we had to give up Chris Perez but we may have got the the WS had DeRosa not gotten hurt.
I’m sure the trade may sound great if you are looking in the short term. However, the Chris Perez trade burned me up from the day it was made. Derosa also admitted later that he was injured before the trade and had already had cortisone shots while in Cleavland. I believe if your going to trade young talent you trade for other young talent. If you have a top young pitcher and want a top young OF you do the swap. Equal asset for equal asset age appropriate. Not 23 year old for 34 year old. You wouldn’t trade you brand new car for a 10 year old model that was about done would you. I’m juts looking at asset management from a managerial perspective. If you are looking to fill utility needs, the the org needs to spend in the off season. Look at the problem we are having at the moment with the STL bullpen. They knew before the season that we needed a new closer but did nothing. Now if they want to address the issue they will have to trade young talent. They could have just signed Fuentes $5.0M, Gregg $4.2M, or Farnesworth $2.6M but they are to cheap. If you look at the STL BP this year the org made a financial commitment of $8,858,000.00…. That’s pretty low….
Its really low when you realize that 3,250,000 and 2,000,000 of that 8.8M figure was committed to Franklin and Miller.
Cleveland should have been honest with us or the Cardinals should have done better research. Who else are we going to have play 3b that year? Started with Barden then went to Thurston. People were pushing for Wallace to be brought up but obviously Mo had the Holliday deal in the works at the time. You have to remember that Perez had not done that well in the time he was with us before we traded him dispite being one of our top prospects. I ask you who plays 3b for us in 09 have we not traded DeRosa. He cuold have put us over the top but it just wasn’t in the cards. I agree but I don’t think they expected Glaus to be gone all of 09 in the off season. Wasn’t that one of those last minute before Spring Training surgerys?
Sure 3B was a hole that year. The only other thing they could have down was to Play Greene or Craig there.
Tyler Greene was pretty much what he is today back in 2009. Not very good. Actually, he was a little worse.
The performance that we got out of Derosa pretty much = Tyler Greene…
Keeping tabs of the trades MO makes…. it appears that the other clubs thing he’s an idiot as well. Just look at the K Greene trade… and then he goes back and does another deal with them in the RL trade last year…. I think after what SD pulled on the KG trade I would never dial their number again when looking to make a trade…
I agree that, in general, Mo isn’t great when it comes to trades, but he’s pulled off a couple of decent ones (I think Edmonds for Freese was one of his, the Ludwick/Westbrook deal and the Holliday deal were fair trades for both sides, and Ryan for Cleto is looking like a fair trade as well, although there are a couple of bad ones on the ledger as well), and the Greene for Gregerson deal is probably a bit of a freak. At the time of the trade, I don’t think the Padres expected Luke Gregerson to suddenly become this good. In fact, I’m not even sure Luke Gregerson’s mom would’ve expected Luke Gregerson to be this good.
Spending money on bullpens is generally a bad idea. Fuentes, Gregg and Farnsworth are all overpaid.
I agree that (in general) keeping your internal bullpen guys (like Todd & Perez) is a good idea, though I don’t think the DeRosa trade was that bad. We got Todd back (who turns out to not be very good) and Perez would only be the 4th or 5th best right-handed reliever on our team right now. He just isn’t an impact player, despite his extremely lucky save rate in Cleveland this year, and I think is due arbitration next year so it’s not like he’ll be very cheap for long.
The DeRosa trade also netted us a type B comp pick, which I believe turned into Tyrrel Jenkins. IMO Jenkins, right now, is probably worth more than Perez, and we got half of year of (it turned out an injured) Mark DeRosa in a contending season, and got Todd back anyhow. At the time I thought the trade was a slight overpay but it wasn’t an egregious one, and TBH the guy I was more upset about losing was Todd.
Well not spending money on the bullpen has worked wonders……oh wait !
Sorry gents, you gotta give up something of value to get something. Closers are a high demand property year in year out at the deadline.
The old Matt Adams straight up for Heath Bell will not get us an elite closer.
Rasmus is probably not as valuable as he was 2 years ago. Bringing up Hanley Ramirez/Jose Reyes…..forget Rasmus and start thinking Shelby Miller.