Comments on: Daily Farm Report 7/12/2011

By: Felonius_Monk

Felonius_Monk — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:20:04 +0000

Rasmus is arb-eligible and will be getting a substantial raise. Rasmus + KMac (who will both be getting pay-raises through arby next year) may end up being paid MORE than Price (who is, like Colby, going into his first year of arby). How do the Rays save any money by making this trade? They get worse and don’t save anything. No way they do this.

By: Mizzcards

Mizzcards — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:06:47 +0000

The thing that I am looking at with Price is he will be arb eligible and will be getting a huge raise and we all know what TB does when their players get raises. I would love to see Price in a STL uniform.

By: Felonius_Monk

Felonius_Monk — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:58:09 +0000

I think Atlanta take that in a heart-beat. Not all GMs are Ed Wade stupid, and a 3-4 WAR CF for three years is way more valuable than any closer in baseball. You can just go out and sign a pitcher as good as Kimbrel every year for about $10m. You can’t simply go out and get a high-quality CF for that price.

And I don’t think the Colby + KMac for Price deal works tbh. The Rays have no need for KMac so he’s basically a throw-in at this point. They have at least 6 better starting pitchers, and he’s only a middle reliever in their pen so might even get non-tendered next year. Price is now one of the best starters in baseball, and has been amazing this year in a really tough league, dropping his walkrate pretty much in half whilst maintaining an elite K rate. He’s better than Colby right now, by quite some distance IMO, and they’re at the same stage in their contract status I believe.

Colby + something for Shields is more realistic, and again that’s a trade I make in a second, but really I don’t see why the Rays need a CF. I guess they could move him to LF but unless they’re doing something like Upton + Prospect for 3 years of Colby, I don’t see them having a massive need for Rasmus right now.

By: Felonius_Monk

Felonius_Monk — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:52:25 +0000

Agreed. I really thought he was done for the year when he went down with shoulder issues. The big question is whether he gets his velo and control back, but sounds like he’s well on the way. The success of Boggs and Lynn, so far, is making him less indispensible in the pen, though, so hope they take their time.

By: Felonius_Monk

Felonius_Monk — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:51:02 +0000

Then I think you’re massively over-valuing three arby years of Colby Rasmus. Moore is a massive prospect, perhaps top-5 in baseball, almost certainly top-10 right now, up there and perhaps even better than Shelby Miller. Sale was a first-round pick and probably isn’t a million miles off the top 50, on projectability alone. Beckham is kinda meh now but I think he could be a league average guy, he’d be somewhere in the ballpark of Kolten Wong as a prospect (perhaps between Wong and Jackson in our MIF list). Colby for Moore alone would be a great haul IMO.

Would you have traded Shelby Miller (now) for BJ Upton a little over a year ago? That’s a fair comp for the Rasmus for Moore trade. I wouldn’t have done that, personally.

I’d probably trade Colby straight up for Hellickson as well, although the fact his strikerate seems to have gone through the floor this year worries me a bit. Sale (and, to a lesser extent, Beckham) are more than just throw-ins. Sale might be the 3rd best prospect in our system, and Beckham might just about scrape into the top 10.

By: Felonius_Monk

Felonius_Monk — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:45:25 +0000

Matt Moore is a young pitcher and probably the #1 SP prospect in all baseball.

By: Mizzcards

Mizzcards — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:51:45 +0000

I actually highly doubt that Atlanta would even make the trade of Rasmus straight up for Kimbrel. Kimbrel is 23 years old and has became a lights out closer.

If this trade could happen and thats a big if. It would allow Lance Lynn to move into the rotation and Kimbrel to close up the 9th inning and BP problems. Having Salas & Sanchez available for the 8 innings & Motte & Boggs in the 7th innings would definitely clear things up. And think of it this way to are trade age appropriate commodities. Not trading 23 years olds for 32 year old closers.

By: RichardRich

RichardRich — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:28:41 +0000

What sucks is over the winter we might had a legit at Kimbrel and Beachy for Colby when his value was peaking, But you can’t trade McClellan right now since the ideal plan is to move him back to the BP since he shuts down left handed bats if a SP can be had.

By: kdizzle

kdizzle — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:22:37 +0000

And I doubt that Tampa Bay would be looking to their major league roster for the players they would like to send to St. Louis. Nor would they be likely to send someone like Moore in that type of trade. Moore is the type of pitcher you trade for a Felix Hernandez or Matt Kemp type. A superstar type player not a good(albeit high potential) type like Rasmus.

A name like Desmond Jennings(which would probably make the most sense) or Josh Sale plus a Jake McGee or Chris Archer would be much more likely.

By: kdizzle

kdizzle — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:14:42 +0000

I’m sorry if I’m coming off as an annoyance, but this closer fetish that too many baseball fans seem to have these days exasperates me.

Trading everyday players for one inning relievers(who aren’t really the relievers getting the most important outs) that will give you at most 65 or 70 innings in a season, makes absolutely no sense.

I’d sooner make Shelby Miller a reliever than trade someone like Rasmus for Kimbrell.