The farm went 2-4 on the night. Trevor Rosenthal pitched his team to a victory and the Redbirds face Jake Odorizzi again, this time with less success.
Hitting:
- Shane Robinson went 1-for-3 w/ 1 BB and 1 R
- Peter Kozma went 1-for-3 w/ 1 RBI
- Donovan Solano went 1-for-1 w/ 1 2B as a pinch hitter
Pitching:
- Nick Additon got roughed up though he did strike out 9 in 5.2 IP, he also gave up 9 H, 5 R, and 3 BB
- Cory Rauschenberger has been pitching well for Memphis, he went 1.1 scoreless innings
- Pete Parise gave up 1 H in his scoreless inning
Springfield 6 @ NW Arkansas 11
Hitting:
- Ryan Jackson went 2-for-3 w/ 1 3B, 2 BB, 1 R, and 1 RBI
- Matt Adams went 1-for-5 w/ 1 HR, 1 R, and 4 RBI (his homer was of the 3-run variety)
- Daryl Jones is still getting the Springfield bump, he went 2-for-4 w/ 1 2B and 1 R
- Jose Garcia also went 2-for-4, he scored 1 R
Pitching:
- John Gast was not good: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 7 R, 4 BB, and 1 K
- Francisco Samuel went 1.0 inning and gave up 2 H while striking out 2
Hitting:
- Greg Garcia went 2-for-5 w/ 1 2B and 1 R
- Niko Vasquez played RF and went 1-for-3 w/ 1 BB, 1 R, and 2 RBI
- Rainel Rosario went 3-for-4 w/ 1 2B, 1 BB, 2 R, and 2 RBI
- Xavier Scruggs went 1-for-3 w/ 1 2B, 1 BB, and 2 RBI
- Kyle Conley went 3-for-4 w/ 1 HR, 1 R, and 2 RBI
Pitching:
- The beloved Blaine Boyer went 5.0 shutout innings for his first AA High A win of the year, his line included 1 H, 1 BB, and 5 K
- Keith Butler put up an impressive 5 K in 2.1 IP but gave up 2 H, 2 R, and 1 BB
Hitting:
- Cody Stanley was the offensive star of the game, he went 4-for-4 w/ a solo homer
- Victor Sanchez went 1-for-4 w/ 1 2B and 1 R
- Michael Swinson went 2-for-4 w/ 2 RBI and 1 SB
- Patrick Elkins recorded 2 H in his 4 AB’s
Pitching:
- Trevor Rosenthal had the game we have all wanted to see for quite some time: 8.2 IP, 1 H, 1 R (0 ER), 1 BB, and 8 K
- Dean Kiekhefer recorded the last out for his second save
Hitting:
- Joseph Bergman went 1-for-5 w/ 1 2B and 1 RBI
- Romulo Ruiz and David Medina both went 2-for-5, Medina scored a run
- Jeremy Patton went 2-for-4 w/ 1 HR, 1 R, and 2 RBI
- Jordan Rasmus went 2-for-4 w/ 1 RBI and 1 SB
- Virgil Hill 1-for-4 w/ 1 3B and 1 R
Pitching:
- Patrick Daugherty got the start and as blah, he gave up 5 R over 3.1 innings
- Corey Baker came in and stopped the bleeding, he went 3.1 scoreless innings that included 3 H and 2 K
- Travis Miller pitched 1.1 scoreless innings, he allowed 2 H and had 1 K
Hitting:
- Anthony Garcia went 2-for-5 w/ 1 2B and 1 RBI
- Gary Apelian hit a solo homer for his lone hit in 5 PA
- Neal Pritchard went 1-for-3 w/ 1 2B, 1 BB, 2 R, and 1 RBI
- David Bergin went 3-for-4 w/ 2 R and 1 RBI
Pitching:
- Tyrell Jenkins followed up a brilliant outing with a dud, he went 2.2 innings and gave up 7 H, 6 R (5 ER), 1 BB, and recorded 3 K
- Roberto Canache was very strong in relief, he went 2-1 innings, gave up 1 H, and had 4 K
- Tyler Mills pitched 2.0 scoreless innings that included 2 BB and 2 K
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Rosenthal allowed a leadoff single to the first batter of the game and then nothing for 8 2/3 innings. MiLB.com did a story about it.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110722&content_id=22169480&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&tcid=tw_share
Thanks for the link! I was wondering if he was still working on his secondary pitches. I also liked his honesty about getting a bit anxious with the complete game shut-out on the line. I really have no doubt he would have gotten it had the OF error not occurred. Kudos to Rodriguez for not pushing it. The kid’s GO/AO ratio is really fantastic. I’m pretty sure it is over 2.0. MiLB lists it lower on the summary line, but if you look at his splits, it shows it at over 2.0 which calculates correctly when looking at Starter, RHB and LHB, etc. I wish they would get that corrected one way or the other. Word is his change is still a bit fast and he is trying a different grip to slow it down. When he gets that done, look out. I’ve witnessed his curve which is still a new pitch for him in terms of using it in games, and it looked pretty nasty to me.
What’s not to be excited about? Like written above, this is the one we have been waiting for to confirm the hype coming out of Spring Training. His peripherals have been very good this year, but it seemed like such a tease – last night this dog got the bone!
Papa Dunc is going to love this kid.
I have my doubts about “Papa Dunk” still being with the organization if/when Rosenthal makes his major league debut.
What are we looking at? At least two seasons if not three or four until he’d be a full time major league starter.
Intuition points to another manager and pitching coach being around by then.
A puff comment taken to task by strict interpretation. Well, fair enough. Rosenthal does not have to make the 25 man roster for Papa Dunc to be afforded an opportunity to evaluate, only an invite to the major league camp. If you want to argue about whether Rosenthal will get an invite to the major league spring training camp while Papa Dunc is still the pitching coach, I’ll let you argue with yourself.
Not exactly sure what you are saying, but I expect Rosenthal to get a Spring Training invite next Spring unless he somehow blows up over the rest of the season. Outside of a couple of sore back outings, Rosenthal’s numbers are quite good and he also has upside in my opinion. I expect he will start in PB to start next season and finish at AA.
From your lips to God’s ears!
careful what you wish for!
Oscar Taveras didn’t play last night. Scheduled day off, or another problem looming?
Oh rosenthal, you are such a dreamboat.
Great night for him to do it, as I suspect he is our #1 trade chip, and you’d have to think many teams were in attendance doing advanced scouting on him.
He isn’t untouchable, but no team will offer enough to trade Rosenthal. You don’t trade a top line pitching prospect for a short term solution. Whatever the Cards get in a trade like that would have to have long term impact unless that piece is enough to make us better than the Phillies. Otherwise what you would be saying is that the system is so deep with pitching we can easily gamble a top prospect – yeah, you can, but you can’t do that too many times before you are in trouble. In other words, don’t make a trade like that just to be more competitive in the Divisional race – you have to believe it is the missing piece that gets you to the World Series.
Meh. Rosenthal is a B-level prospect. He’s not a game-changer in terms of the org, at this moment; without him, our organisational standing is not diminished hugely. He could well get there in future, and has top-of-the-rotation ceiling, but he’s a long way off right now and there are three other guys with comparable or better ceilings (Miller, CMart, Jenkins) and arguably a fourth with similar ceiling/better polish (Swagerty) so he’s quite possibly only our 4th or 5th best pitching prospect. The playoffs are a crapshoot anyway (see 2010, 2006) so you definitely trade a piece like that if it helps you get to the post-season IMO.
Rosenthal probably isn’t a guy that brings back real top impact talent at the MLB level anyhow; if you want a long-term solution to one of our problem areas (rotation, shortstop, 2B) you’re probably having to trade Miller or Martinez (or both), plus possibly Rasmus, depending on the haul. If Rosenthal can be packaged up with other mid-level guys to bring back a Jeremy Hellickson or something, I think you have to pull the trigger there for sure.
B-level? Wow. Guess time will tell on that one. Rosenthal’s SO per inning is comparable with Martinez, his BB is better. His SO per inning is slightly behind Miller, his BB is about the same. Batting average vs. Rosenthal is .223 vs. .221 and .216. Rosenthal has the best GO/AO ratio (2.09) – actually much better than Miller and better than Martinez.
Miller is at AA, so you have to rate him #1. However, I think many look at QC and PB not as the same, but not that far apart either. Given Martinez pops it up there often as high as 100, you have to rank him higher. However, to say Rosenthal is a “B” prospect with those numbers which are in the same realm as your “A” prospects doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t see Swagerty as a “B” prospect either.
Jenkins may indeed be an “A” prospect too, but I haven’t seen it yet.
Difference of opinion regarding the stats vs other aspects, I think. I look more at CMart’s stuff, experience pedigree and age in comparison to Rosenthal, which is why I’d rank him higher, although the two have similar results so far (and Rosy had a great start last time up). I think you can make an argument of Rosenthal over Jenkins, but again I think I’m looking at projection here, and not sure how much more of that Rosenthal has, whereas Jenkins has a lot (again IMO) but I agree they’re hard to compare right now.
I should also expand on my “B-prospect” tag. I’m going more by Sickels prospect rankings – that is, only the best-of-the-best get an A or A- (for instance, last year, he didn’t have ANY of our prospects as an A, and had Miller I think as an A-/B+), to differentiate the Bryce Harper’s of this world from slightly lower down guys. There might only be 20-30 guys with an A or A+ ranking in baseball, and maybe only 60-70 guys who get an A- or better. These are guys with star-level or very-good-player-level upside, AND a good to very good chance of making it.
B prospects are guys either with high ceilings and a long way to go (Jenkins/Rosenthal types), or guys who have a very high probability of being decent contributors at major league level but less high ceilings (Cox/Adams types). I’d say all our better prospects other than Miller and Martinez fit into the B+/B/B- bracket, including Rosenthal, Jenkins and maybe Swagerty. We’ve probably got 6 or 7 of these guys now, so losing one (as I said) isn’t a massive hit for the org.
Finally, C prospects would be guys who are a bit further off with maybe a few more red flags and who’ve got less chance of being impact guys, Tommy Pham might be at the top of this bracket, guys like Adron Chambers etc.
You obviously think Rosenthal should be in the A-bracket with Miller and Martinez, but I think their ages, pedigree, repertoire and the fact both were closer to the majors at the same stage in their development compared to Rosy means they’re better prospects, and they should be differentiated by being in a higher bracket. FWIW, none of the prospect mavens who likely know more than either of us (the Laws, Sickels and Callis’s of this world) seem to have Rosenthal much on their radar, whereas Martinez and Miller are consensus top-20 guys, and Jenkins seems to get a lot of love too. So I suppose I’ll finish with that appeal to authority.
Now that I understand you were using a Sickels type rating system, I agree with you. In fact, I would be interested to know if Sickels really has CMart as an A, I would have thought he would rank him at best a B+ primarily due to his age and slight build.
I thought an “A” prospect was simply the best rated prospects the organization has. I would rank Rosenthal #3 amoung our pitchers. But would I be surprised if Rosenthal actually has a better career than Miller or Martinez? No. He has potentially dominating stuff, and he has been working hard on his secondary pitches which is why his stats have not been overwhelming to date. He could go out and just throw fastballs and probably have an ERA below 2.00 at QC, but the Organization and himself know what he has to do to get to STL, and to his credit he has been taking some lumps to get it done. If and when he makes it, he has the body to throw 200+ innings a year. Miller does too. I think CMart is a wild card on that front. If he does, he will be the exception, not the rule. I’m sure I’m not popular saying so, but no one should be surprised if CMart becomes a grade A closer vs. a starter.
Oh, and to set the record straight, Sickels had Rosenthal in his Cards top 20 before the season when no one else did and this is what Callis said about Rosenthal about mid April:
A 21st-round pick out of Cowley County (Kan.) CC in 2009, Rosenthal spent his first two seasons in Rookie ball. He showed a 92-94 mph fastball while flashing a solid slider last summer. This year, his stuff has found an extra gear, to the point where Quad Cities manager Johnny Rodriguez says Rosenthal is better than top Cardinals prospect Shelby Miller was at the start of the Midwest League season last year. Miller relied almost exclusively on his fastball at that point and didn’t become a well-rounded pitcher until the second half.
While striking out 18 over 11 innings in his first two starts, Rosenthal has sat at 93-95 mph and touched 97 with his fastball. His heater has heavy life and he has commanded it to both sides of the plate. He has shown improved tilt and late bite on his slider, which resides in the low 80s. The Cardinals are having him emphasize his changeup, and while it’s still a work in progress, it has good action. Rodriguez also gives Rosenthal high marks for his control and mound presence.
If Rosenthal can maintain his current fastball, slider and command while improving his changeup, he could become a No. 2 starter. I wouldn’t put him in the class of Miller or Carlos Martinez yet, but Rosenthal definitely is rocketing up the ranks of St. Louis pitching prospects.
So, he is on the radar of Sickels and Callis.
I don’t agree with you, but that’s fine. We as fans do tend to overrate our own prospects quite a bit.
Trevor Rosenthal is not a top line pitching prospect. He’s a solid pitching prospect in Low-A. There’s a big difference.
I guess I don’t understand your definition of “top line” vs. “solid”. I can tell you that I know the Cardinals Organization ranks him very high (3 or 4). So, if you equate that with “solid”, no problem. I guess what I’m saying is that he is “top line” as far as the Cards Organization is concerned – and that was the orginal point, they aren’t going to trade him for just anyone.
I think you can expect Rosenthal in Springfield next year after starting in PB absent some unforseen meltdown or a trade. If that is the definition of “solid”, then we are in total agreement.
I’m wondering if its a problem looming as he was taken out at the end of the game and replaced with Edmondson at the end of the 15-16 loss the night before.
On another note is there any more under the radar prospect than Rainel Rosario. He shot through QC this year and has been consistantly the best offensive player at Palm Beach all year. He out performed Zach Cox there till the end of Cox stay there. Rosario’s power numbers have slowed but hes still producing runs. He’s a who’s numbers will explode even more next year in Springfield.
It might be time to come up with an official nickname for Rosenthal.
We have a DRose here in Chicago, how about TRose?? I’ve heard “Rosy” thrown around, but that’s kinda gay….
The coaches and players call him Rosy why not the fans?
Fine, but I personally still like TRose better…..
Rosy, I dig it. TRose is… um…
Maybe something from the movie “Fletch”?
Great game by Blaine Boyer!
Correction, former MLB 29 year old Boyer had his first win in HIGH A. It should have been great.
In my opinion they need to move him up and some of the struggling young pitchers back, they just push too much and too hard, too soon.
Boyer may help this season! He is ready for rotation at Memphis. He can become a second Westbrook.
Really?
How so?
Why do you post things like this Mrs. TLR?
How in the hell is a complete major league failure, who is nearly 30, going to turn into an average major league starting pitcher?
I know you used the word “could”, but you have to believe that this is a somewhat likely outcome, otherwise you wouldn’t have posted the statement.
Might want to turn the sarcasm meter on.
The word used was “can”.
I didn’t realize he was with the cards at one time and traded for Barton.
However, he was signed and released twice since Jan by 2 teams.
Maybe they think they can reinvent him and maybe to give some depth if they go into post season, or experience you know how TLR loves experience, but I imagine he would have to be pretty impressive to get a spot on the 40 man.
Boyer is going no where. He was released by the Pirates… need I say more
first place pirates with best pitching in the nl pirates?
boyer previously started in AAA for the braves org in 2007. i assume the club wants to retool him to gain some more starting depth.
Boyer has been absolutely crushed by lefties in the major leagues, and is, at best, a ROOGY, so I’m not sure why the club think he’s going to learn to get them out as a starter all of a sudden at nearly 30 years old. I think he’s strictly organisational filler at this point, although quite why (when we’ve got a few guys at QC who could be moved up to PB) I don’t know…
yes, my bad
Don’t know if any of you saw this little nugget from Keith Law’s chat, but it got me drooling and hyperventilating at the same time, so I thought I’d share.
Tim (STL)
It seems like the Cardinals minor league system has enjoyed a very nice year, with Adams, Taveras, Rosenthal (in addtion to the big 3 rhp) enjoying nice years. Do you see them making a jump up the minor league rankings, at least into the middle teens or so? Thanks.
Klaw(2:49 PM)
They could land 6-7 guys on the top 100. Swagerty has shown himself to be more than expected too.
6-7?!?!?! Have we EVER had even close to that many top-100 guys?
The way it looks and from the comments he has made, the 7 on a KLaw list would be Cox, Miller, Martinez, Jenkins, Adams, Taveras, & Swagerty. I find this really interesting because he values potential/tools over performance normally. I find this interesting, because usually his lists are riddled with players whose tools have not translated into performance. Out of our guys above, only two guys can arguably be said to have underperformed, and it is VERY arguable. An argument can be said that Cox has underperformed, but it is his first year in pro ball, and after an adjustment period at each level he has really settled in and proven that he belongs (offensively at least, defense seems to be a work in progress). The only other flimsy argument can be made for Jenkins, but he is also in his first year and simply having inconsistency problems, that can only be expected of a pitcher of his age and rawness. Alternating good and bad starts seems like a big win for Jenkins at this point.
I say all of this because it seems like a real tribute to our drafting and coaching. Not only are we drafting/signing players with potential to be impact ML players, but we are also seeing that potential translate to success. A lot of players seem like potential OR performance in the minors, and we are getting a great taste of both.
Wow….Richie you reading this stuff about Matt Adams?
Really surprised that Law is high on Cox this year, because I’m sure he really thought Cox was badly over-rated coming into the 2010 draft (unless I’m mistaken), and he’s not exactly excelled as a pro so far.
don’t think so Ryan, but that would really be great for the cards….sp
I have to balance out what I’m about to say with something positive, so…Trevor Rosenthal had a phenomenal game and is starting to get some attention from prospect sites.
I’m not sure that many people realize how bad of a season Pete Kozma is having, unless he just isn’t relevant to people here anymore. He is sporting an OPS of .555, which is 221 points below the next to worst qualifying shortstop for the Pacific Coast League. He’s striking out at a large clip with a K% just below 22%, which is 2nd worst for qualifying shortstops. His hitting has also declined each month from May until now.
Not that Ryan Jackson has been lighting up the Texas League, but he is posting very respectable numbers there and could benefit from a promotion to replace Kozma. There’s more pitching talent, prospect wise, in AA, but Jackson could benefit from spending the rest of the season in Memphis, especially if they look at him for playing time with the big club in 2012.
Koz has been a dud again, all right, but for perspective, note that of the 47 guys drafted 18th overall, as he was, only 8 have really had productive big-league careers so far. (Kyle Drabek will probably make this 9 if his arm survives.) Nearly half never even made it to the majors. He’s just been doing what late-first-round draft choices do: get a cup of coffee in the Show, without really having a career.
tom s. discussed the organization’s overall outlook at shortstop (without the capital letters, of course) today over at VEB.
Once you try to get over the dismal feelings for Kozma, you are immediately struck by how vacant this key position is of possibilities in the Cardinal system. Granted, most team’s have a difficult time manning this position within their respective organizations. The position is demanding and requires exceptional youngsters to attempt to stick there all the way up to big leagues.
Still, unless we look outside the organization for our need at short, we have to hope for good things from Ryan Jackson. Once you get past the other disappointment, Tyler Greene, you are left with projecting pretty far into the future for any kind of help from the farm at shortstop. Without looking at the organization’s depth chart, who are we left with?? R. Gil??? Starlin Rodriguez (or is he more of a second baseman-type)??
Here’s to hoping for a fully-faceted development of Ryan Jackson–and he doesn’t have to hit very well, either, to become really valuable to the organization.
I believe Tyler Greene will become a good MLB player once he gets regular playing time.
And why do you think that?
Cause he’s got every tool in the box and he has a .417 wOBA at AAA? The guy has less than 375 ML PAs spread out over three years. It’s not unreasonable to think he could still succeed.
But his bat hasn’t progressed at all, and for reports that he had a plus grade defensively, he has been pretty bad defensively.
He’s got an issue with nerves on the big league level it seems. He hasnt had enough consistent AB’s to adjust to the Big League Level. Remember how bad Craig was when he was only getting pitch hitting duties? Most of his defensive issues are when hes played out of position at 3b and 2b. Guys a natural SS why would he be played so many other places when he doesnt even get reps at those positions in the minors.
But even when you look at the numbers from his minor league career, they’re quite pedestrian. He strikes out at a ridiculous rate and before this year he had never managed to put up a batting average of .300 or better. His OBP has been nice, but his OPS is quite average with it only being around .800 between 2009 and 2010. Not to mention the fact that his numbers will go down when/if he plays consistently at the big league level.
The fact is he is a 27 year old playing extremely well at AAA. I guess we should have been crazy about Nick Stavinoha last year as well by that logic. I’m sure Greene is a nice kid, but this was a failed pick in every sense of the word. Kind of hurts more given that Clay Bucholz was picked a few picks later. That ’05 draft has been a huge flop outside of Colby Rasmus and Mitchell Boggs.
Your forgetting he’s a SS so his offensive numbers don’t have to be great to be the best the Cardinals have seen in awhile. Good OBP plus fastest guy on the team equals alot of runs scored. Your dogging him but when have the Cardinals had a SS with a better package of talent and projected numbers? Probably Edgar Renteria.
So our deprivation at shortstop means that we should take a guy whose thus far flustered big time at the big leagues. He strikes out at a ridiculous rate, so his OBP wouldn’t be enough to put him as the leadoff hitter. So you’re likely looking at a 7-8-9 hitter. Quite frankly, best case scenario is that he is Ryan Theriot from June with a bit more pop, and striking out at a much higher rate. And we all know many people are ready to move Theriot from shortstop.
No we should give him a chance to see if he develops late into his talents, instead of the series of incompletely players that we have had since Renteria. Yes he hasn’t done well THUS FAR. Players sometimes dont succeed right out of the gate especially when they are not playing regularly and are being moved around from position to position. I would not have an issue with someone like Greene hitting 7th for the Cardinals for the next 3 or 4 years. Greene has much better D skills also at SS and I feel that once he settles in he will play better in the field.
Tell me what trait(s) projects to average to above-average? He gets on base at a pretty good clip, but that’s pretty much negated that he pretty much strikes out once every four at-bats. He doesn’t posses great power, as his ISO is pretty normal and should go down in the big leagues a bit. So you’re probably looking at 10-15 HR power during the peak of his career. And his UZR/150 is a little bit above even for his career at shortstop in the big leagues. So he’s not a great defender, doesn’t posses a ton of power, and his high OBP is pretty much negated by his ridiculous strike out rate. The guy might be an average starting SS at best, but he’s nowhere near being a clear better option than any other guys we have right now.
Theriot is a pretty terrible comp for Greene. One is a (supposedly) decent defensive player, the other is the worst defensive shortstop in the major leagues. One is a guy with power and speed, but pretty severe contact issues, whereas the other is a guy with zero power and no speed, whose only tool is being able to make contact with the ball and chip a few singles about. They really couldn’t be much more difference players as shortstops. I don’t really think either are much better than replacement-level, although I’d maybe give Greene a chance as I KNOW Theriot sucks, but haven’t quite had the chance to make that assessment of Greene yet due to limited and sporadic appearances.
Its hard to progress with you butt sitting on the bench and by getting sporatic palying time at best. I’ll bet if the guy new he would be starting everyday even if he went 0 for 4 the night before, you would see him make the ML adjustment and we wouldn’t be stuck paying duds like 3.3M RT and 6MKG.
And which numbers aside from this year in his minor league career would tell you that Greene is anything more than a utility infielder? He strikes out at a ridiculous rate, his defense has become quite terrible (especially given the billing of his glove coming into the draft), and has struggled to find any kind of consistency at the big league level.
He’s got the skills to be a MLB player, and notoriously he’s slow to adjust to each level he’s been in. He has not had enough playing time and regular play to adjust to the MLB level. Zach Cox is known to be very slow to adjust to levels also. He started off poorly in Palm Beach and came on late and he’s just started to play very well in Springfield after stinking it up for a month or so.
So to answer he’s slow to adjust to each level but ultimately he does.
Andrew you bring up good points all players are different, for some at 25 they got it others get it at 29, there is no one size fits all. Some just need more time to adjust.
I think that is what people tend to forget, because you are a particular age you are suppose to get it, but, doesn’t always work that way.
I hope Tyler Greene does, in fact, make it as a major league shortstop. I remember feeling pretty good about him as a draft selection–a little raw, but a naturally gifted athlete with a combination of speed and power that intrigued me at the time, and still does. Lord knows the Cardinals could have used his speed the last few years.
The knee injury was unfortunate, and yet, he made his way back from it. I’ve been pulling for him for a long time. I was actually (silently) pulling for him to get the chance at short before Brendan Ryan did once the club got tired of the offensive cipher that Cesar Izturis had become. I kept that sentiment to myself, as Ryan gradually became a favorite, of sorts, amongst internet Redbird fans.
I held out hope for playing time for T Greene whenever B Ryan’s bat would falter for prolonged periods of time. Seemed like every time there was some thought of letting someone else play short besides Ryan, Tyler Green would always get a nagging injury, or there’d be some min-crisis with the pitching staff and there’d be some related issues managing the 40 man roster, and he’d never get called up.
When he did, things just never seemed to come together for him. I’m going to date myself here a little bit with some of you younger whipper-snappers. But I remember a young Cardinal infielder I thought was such a sure thing back in the late 80s and early 90s. He was blazing fast and had a lot of pop in his bat. He just LOOKED like he should one day soon be a stud–even standing in the on-deck circle. The potential was boundless. His name was Geronimo Pena. People never did understand why he washed out. He just LOOKED like he should succeed.
I see Tyler Greene stealing bases, and I look at the power he displays in the high minors, and then I look at him seemingly lost and overmatched at the plate against a major league pitcher. And it’s like the summer of 1989 all over again. And I’m still pulling for Geronimo/Tyler for one last time to put it together. T. Greene will be 28 years old in a couple of weeks. Time waits for no man. I hope ya’ll are right about him just needing a little more time. Frankly, we don’t have large chunks of time left anymore.
How can you say someone is “very slow” to adjust to levels when a player hasn’t even played pro baseball for a year?
That is Cox’s MO, he was slow to adjust at Arkansas. He was slow to adjust to the AFL, Palm Beach and SPringfield.
I say Matt Carpenter is better defensively on 3rd base then Cox and I would also agree with Andrew about Greene
Adam hit 23rd home run. For some reason I can’t see the game today on milb.com
He’s actually being broadcast on MILB.tv
i also believe that with more regular playing time TG could be a decent mlb SS. he has good speed and stealing ability, good enough defense, has some pretty good pop in his bat, he just needs to adjust to mlb pitching and get his average up and better plate disciplin
Milb doesn’t work on iPad Huh….. Springfield is winning
They need Adams at springfield, they need all the help they can get to stay in teh race second half, unless someone gets hurt he will probably stay.
Kopp gets first save.
Adams more then ready for Memphis.
I continue to have reservations about his low BB rate, but it’s definitely time to see what he can do against better pitching. At this point I think I’d rather see him stay with Springfield in the hope of making the playoffs, then get the proverbial cup of coffee in the majors. He really needs to be tested.
I don’t understand why Adams should be moved up to Memphis.
First of all, it is impractical with Hamilton moving back and forth b/w memphis and st. louis and possibly interfering with playing time for Adams.
Second, Adams value is at an all-time high mashing homers in Springfield, so why waste any prestige as a prospect that he has garnered in Springfield.
Third, from what I’ve read AAA has turned into more of a shuttle for AAAA between the majors and minors than a real venue for developing and nurturing prospects. I think we should leave Adams in a stable environment to continue building his skill and value.
Finally, is the pitching really that much better at AAA. Maybe more refined, but as far as “stuff” goes, I would say AA has more prospects. In fact, a lot of the big time prospects have been called to the majors directly from AA. Just look within our own organization. Shelby Miller could pitch at AAA if that was where they wanted him, but I bet he stays put for the rest of the year. AAA is not the cream of the crop from what I’ve seen, but more of the place for the Andrew Browns to put up numbers without a real future.
You are 100% correct in your assumption between AA and AAA and why players like Adams should remain.
You get it.
True in some systems, but not in all. Not all teams use their AAA affiliates in the same way. There are 4-year differences between the average ages of pitchers for the “youngest” AAA teams and the “oldest,” with those differences being fairly durable from year to year (for example, Memphis has been at the young end of the continuum for the last four years). This represents both organizational philosophy and opportunity. You’re correct that big-time prospects rarely stay in AAA for very long, but at least in some organizations, they do pass through AAA as a kind of “finishing school.” Lincecum, Lee, King Felix, to name a few, did spend time at AAA on the way to major-league stardom. They just didn’t stay there.
Besides, I think it’s exactly the “experienced” guys, not the “promising” guys, that Adams needs to face now. He’s already shown he can mash against power arms that lack refinement. But how will he do against pitchers with experience in setting up hitters, exploiting vulnerabilities, etc.? Those are the ones you don’t see in AA, and performance against that kind of pitcher will ultimately determine whether his low BB/PA rate is a problem.
I’m sure the Coach wants him in AA and I truly hope Springfield makes the playoffs. They have great players there. I just think that while Hamilton is injured, Adam should be moved up to get a taste of AAA pitchers and enjoy the experience. When Hamilton”s back then they can bring him down again. Honestly, I think he will do great. But, I guess you’re right. I doubt you’ll see him walk much. What for? He can hit HR instead.