I was really fortunate to see a lot of impressive players over a three day trip to Quad Cities. I’ve had weekend trips before that felt like a total bust but this one was pretty good. The starting pitchers were most impressive, relief pitchers were underwhelming and it is something of a mixed bag for the position prospects.

Koten Wong

The most important thing I can share from this weekend is that Kolten Wong can do back flips.  While I’ll probably muddy up the details, the team generally enters the field from some faux corn and I guess Wong was not a fan of that. He tried to barter his way out of that by promising a back flip. They collected on the back flip but still made him exit from the faux corn.  Tragically, I was scribbling the lineup furiously and failed to see the flip. Bgh assured me that it happened.  Wong only did it on Friday night despite my pleas to his teammates that he repeat it more frequently.

Wong really has a great swing.  He loads well. It’s exceptionally quiet as he loads his hands with a very steady hand. The only minor complaint I might have is that he starts with the bat resting on his shoulder and his hands loose but that is largely cosmetic and when the pitch comes he starts from the right setup.  He has good pop given his size as we witnessed several long flyballs over the three game stint.  His homerun on Sunday looked to be about 360′ to right field.

There will probably some hand wringing over his secondary skills in much the same way there is about Matt Adams. The counter argument in both cases is that the players simply hit the ball. Often and hard. That “hitting tool” that scouts look for is something that Kolten Wong exudes.  His defense looked solid at second base with no obvious miscues and no tremendous plays.  He showed above average speed while running the bases.

Colin Walsh

Walsh is something of an Andrew Brown/Allen Craig type as he’s in the lineup for his bat but lacks an obvious defensive position.  Walsh hit a monster homerun on Friday night that was reported to have made it into the river.  If he hit it an inch he hit it 400 feet.  Walsh made a pretty bad glove to hand transition on a hit to left field during Friday’s game. He looks new to the outfield and looked mediocre at 3B. If he can hit, he’ll move up but the club will often be plugging him into the least bad defensive spot they can find.

Ronnie Gil

Gil is a slick fielding shortstop with great range and a strong arm. He made some impressive plays ranging to his left to snag balls up the middle (specifically in the 2nd inning of Saturday’s game).  His game isn’t as refined as Ryan Jackson but is at least comparable in raw athleticism and probably exceeds Jackson.

The question for Gil will be whether he can hit enough. His singles were all bloops to shallow CF or seeing eye singles that found holes. There was no display of power and he looked like a slap hitter that would be overwhelmed by better pitchers in advanced leagues.  I don’t think the bat plays at a high enough level even with his impressive defensive abilities.

Michael Swinson

I’ve written about Swinson previously and not much has changed. He’s incredibly fast. His triple on Saturday was a thing of beauty.  Swinson can simply fly around the bases and his speed helps him tremendously in the outfield as well.  Offensively, his swing is a little weak and his pitch recognition wasn’t quite what I’d hope it would be. The bat will be the question for Swinson moving forward.

Defensively, he’s got the range to handle center but the arm was an average showing. During the first inning of Saturday’s game, the Kane County shortstop hit a homerun to straight away centerfield. It was a very high hit and, while both myself and bgh thought it would clear the fence with no problem, it was only out by a couple of feet at the most. Swinson never moved. While you never expect the player to steal back a homerun, given his speed, Swinson had the opportunity to make a showing for that ball. He looked pretty bad just standing there unconcerned by what was a shallow homerun.

Cody Stanley

I’m surprised by Stanley’s somewhat tepid offensive performance. I really like his swing and his plate approach. He fouled off a lot of pitches when he was at the plate and wasn’t often caught looking. Pitchers can get him to chase the breaking ball low and away but generally he has a swing that I would have thought would produce more offense.  For a catcher, he’s still hitting well though.

I thought Stanley did a good job receiving a wild Zach Russell on Saturday. Russell had trouble hitting spots but Stanley was able to block or reposition to prevent errant pitches.  Stanley is smaller than some catchers but also more athletic and is at least an average runner on the base paths.

Nick Longmire

Longmire swung at some ugly breaking balls during the first two games. He got corkscrewed into the ground on a slider during the first inning of Friday’s game.  The swing is long and a little handsy.  It was basically what I feared it would be. I’d love to see some video comparisons between last year’s swing and this year’s because something seems to have changed. I think Longmire has some work to do if he wants to move forward.

Defensively, he looked fine in the outfield (excluding a bad misjudgment of a ball’s depth in right field on Saturday). The arm should hold up for any outfield position and he’s got the range to cover centerfield.  Based on the swing, he’ll probably fall off my top 20 list next year after an egregiously aggressive #8 ranking.

Oscar Taveras

Taveras looks the part of top prospect and projectable outfielder.  He’s got a tall frame that is muscular rather than lanky but still has room to grow.  He looked like a slightly taller, bigger version of Tommy Pham.  Taveras showed impressive speed all weekend beating out a double play at first and making his outfield catches look easy.  He made a nice over the shoulder basket catch in the 3rd inning of Saturday’s game.  He gets good reads, has plenty of range and could stick at all three outfield positions.

His swing is compact and the bat head spends a lot of time in the zone.   He sits low in the batter’s box with deep crouch but a steady eye level as he strides forward. His swing isn’t as quiet as Kolten Wong but there’s little that I saw from Taveras to make me doubt his ability to hit a baseball.

This is where things get a bit dicey for me.  During Saturday’s game, Taveras came up short on a ball and seemed to limp a little when he got up reaching for his hamstring. He didn’t signal a trainer but the coach and trainer called for time and headed toward him.  Having seen the coaches coming, Taveras proceeds to throw his glove to the ground and make a bit of a scene in the outfield.  He stayed in the game but limped off the field after the inning was over. In the dugout, he seemed to be, surprisingly, less bothered by the limp.

What was the most frustrating aspect of Taveras over the weekend was his rather casual lack of focus.  He was always the last player out on the field. While the left fielder was long tossing with a reliever, the infield was tossing the ball around and the pitcher was warming up, Oscar Taveras was clowning around in the dugout joking with teammates, messing with his uniform and generally taking his time.  In particular during Sunday’s game, Michael Swinson was often left standing in the outfield, ball in hand, waiting for Taveras to make his way out for warm up tosses.

I don’t know Taveras and I can’t directly speak to personal interactions with him. I hope I’m reading the situation incorrectly. What was disturbing was just how blatant his antics, joshing around and tardiness was.  I say this as someone who is appreciative of players who still look like they enjoy the game.  There was a different player in the system last year that I had teammates and a beat reporter remark on that individual’s lack of drive and casual approach to the game. Taveras’ actions and other person’s remarks from the weekend remind me very much of that situation.

To be clear, Oscar Taveras has all the physical tools to be a top propsect. He looks the part and is the type of player that visibly stands out compared to others on the field.  At 19, he’s very young and I think that shows. Part of his maturation as a player and hitter will have to include the organization coaching him through his maturation as a person as well.

30 Responses to “Quad Cities Hitters: July 29 – 31”
  1. Shanky says:

    Wow. Great analysis as always. I love this site!

  2. RCHIII says:

    Excellent work here. I’m a bit distressed on the Taveras “want to” evaluation. He certainly didn’t get a big enough bonus to warrant a prima donna attitude. I’ll just chalk it up to being young for now. He may end up being one of those guys who will be very good, but may always make you wonder how good he could have been…..let’s hope not.

  3. Dan in Haiti says:

    I guess my question is, where is the manager when Taveras is goofing off? Rasmus came up and lacked fundamentals; Zach Cox made it to AA w/o knowing you play defense with your glove on the ground instead of in the air. That’s what they teach in little league. is the Cardinal’s system of developing players THAT lacking in teaching fundamentals…and showing teen age kids the way to play?

  4. Joe Smith says:

    If Pujols is resigned, does Matt Adams move to the outfield (replace Berkman?) or is he the next to be traded?

    • tom s. says:

      if i am mo, i watch how adams finishes the season (hopefully with a bang). i watch to see if he makes top 100 lists. if he has a strong finish and ends up in top 100 lists, adams’ value will be pretty high. you could land some solid talent with adams as the main prize in a package.

      if pujols is re-signed, selling high on adams in the off-season seems much less risky than hoping he sticks in RF.

  5. Brian B says:

    Thanks for all the info. Nice to hear about Wong. With Taveras, I think the coaching staff needs to control the situation now and bring him back to earth. Lol. Seems to me that the fame might be going to his head and they just need to calm him down a bit. It’s great to have a prospect who is happy but he shouldn’t keep his teammates waiting.

  6. solar pons says:

    As always great info, thanks and please keep up the good work, and thank you again…

  7. cariocacardinal says:

    Wong – by secondary skills I assume you mean the ability to take a walk since you comment that his defense and base running are solid. It is rare that anyone who walks as much as they strikeout gets criticized in this area. It also would seem silly to assume a player who has been a pro for less than 2 months is as good as he is going to get in this area.

    Walsh – I heard a glowing report of Walsh’s defense at 2B last year (outstanding range, good pivot skills). His 3B stats last year weren’t good though and I don’t believe he had played the OF until this year. I think he is probably solid at 2B but with a #1 draft pick blocking you you are going to play wherever they can fit you in. I don’t see anything bat wise in Walsh that would lead to being mentioned with Craig or Brown. My guess is if his defense is that bad he is in trouble because I doubt he will ever be near the hitter those players are. His ticket seems to be strong OBP skills but that wont be enough without some solid defensive skills. Of course when Craig was Walsh’s age he was just starting at Batavia and Brown at Walsh’s age was he was getting ready to go back for his last year at Nebraska.

    Gil – with less than 3 months of competitive play in the US I think it is easily conceivable that he can improve at the plate.

    Swinson – did you see anything different in Swinson’s swing that would account for his power drop this year?

    Taveras – I blame the actions described more on the organization than on Taveras.

    Thanks for the report.

    • azruavatar says:

      Wong – It’s not just his walk rate. Even his baserunning and defense are average skills. His exceptional tool is his ability to make solid contact on a regular basis.

      Swinson – I actually thought he was less of a hacker this year than last. I would wager that he’s using a more level swing than last year but that is speculative.

  8. Bigsnick58 says:

    I recently saw Quad Cities play two games against Burlington. I think your observations are right on. I do wonder about the manager and discipline on the team. Three young ladies were seated close by and it seemed Gil was more interested in making eye contact with them rather than studying the pitcher and prep himself for his AB.

  9. GTL says:

    Great writeup azru. Thanks as always for your contribution.

    Theres one thing I’d like to point out about the Colby/Taveras comparisons some people are making. The “lack of drive” problems with Colby were always due to performance (“He doesn’t want to hit the wall!!”). IIRC, there were never issues with clowning around in the bullpen or being late to the field. If anything Colby was always extremely stoic, didn’t seem to be particularly enjoying the game and wasn’t very popular with teammates. In other words, Colby’s attitude problems were more JD Drew, while Taveras’ appear more Jose Reyes.

    The important thing, though is that he’s only 19 and at low A. Part of the minor league development process is learning the right attitude, so hopefully this never becomes an issue as he moves up the ladder.

    • Hugecardsfan says:

      I’m betting Pop Warner will know how to deal withTaveras if there is any attitude. On the other hand, it’s hard to see the attitude in the results.

      • Andrew says:

        It’s entirely possible its not attitude but he’s just immature. He is only 19 years old. He’s also very expressive it seems. When he hurt himself the first time he was on the ground slamming his hand town yelling in pain. And yes I think his injury warranted that I believe.

  10. Andrew says:

    Seeing Taveras for the first 4 games of the year I didn’t see any lateness to the field or anything like that. You could tell he was enjoying himself and having fun playing the game. Don’t know if things have changed or not.

  11. sadsushi says:

    great reports again AZ…that is a little troubling with taveras but he is 19, which is amazing the amount of success he has had at that age..sounds like he likes to have fun but maybe should be a little more professional..i just think it’s an age thing really..i don’t have any doubts he won’t get more mature as he gets older

  12. Blaise says:

    I think, more than anything, AZ is being hyper aware of any little weakness that could de-rail an extremely promising player. The StL Cardinals, for better or worse, abide by an invisible, yet very important “6th Tool” : Baseball-like-it-oughta-be-body-language-ness or BBLIOTBBLN. This lack of “6th Tool” has sent many a confused/deserving/non-deserving prospect out on the next bus way too often lately. AZ is just trying to give us a lil’ heads up on a possible issue in the future. Make no mistake…BBLIOTBBLN is real. Very real.

  13. Mrs. TLR says:

    In addition to being agile on defense, Ronnie Gil makes easy contact at the plate and runs well. He will not be a power hitter, but has a lot of good qualities for SS.

    If Walsh lucked out and hit one 400 feet, its understandable if he appears impressive. Such hitting happens rarely.

    Swinson like Hill just needs at bats. They have the athleticism to be ML, if they can learn hitting.

    I am not bothered about Taveras. He must have a sense of humor and be relaxed, unlike Colby. Oscar could hit in the majors right now.

    • azruavatar says:

      “Oscar could hit in the majors right now.”

      That’s such a huge reach. He’s 19 and in Low-A. Statements like that make it hard for me to take you seriously. Taveras has never seen a pitcher who can consistently throw a major league quality breaking ball for a strike.

    • Hugecardsfan says:

      Mrs TLR, I get the exuberance over Taveras, but, let’s at least let him play in AA before talking about what he mighte be able to do in the majors. Like you, I think his talents won’t abandon him down the road. But, the majors is such a leap.

      I’m betting in a couple years az might even agree with you. It’s too early.

  14. azruavatar says:

    One clarification – I’m not drawing any comparisons between Colby and Taveras. That thought never even crossed my mind in any way, shape or form. I, personally, do not see a comparison between them — they strike me as different types of hitters with different personalities.

  15. RichardRich says:

    Serious question why do fans blindly defend these guys no matter what the red flags may be when they coming up and even when they struggle upon arriving to the show but the second they are gone rip them to no end? Some negative things came out on Colby on the rise and people just refused to care and 10 days ago you were a hater if you dared to point our his flaws but now he puts on a blue hate every single negative then magically is visible and you are a hater if you didn’t like the trade.

    • Blaise says:

      After reading my previous post it would seem I would be blindly defending some of “these” guys. But to be honest, I am maybe a handful of people that actually LIKED the Rasmus trade. I just thought it would be funny to say because it seems to be the case with this organization and fan base expecting a certain demeanor out of its players. Personally, I don’t care how much a guys is cool or a jerk as long as they help win.

    • Forsch31 says:

      Just curious…who is “you”? I’m not sure if you’re addressing someone specific, Azru, or just everybody in general.

      Also, my impression is that most people here and at Viva El Birdos didn’t like the trade overall, even though some have tried to view it in a positive light (’cause, you know, these guys are Cardinals now and you want them to succeed for the sake of the team).

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