The farm went 3-2 on the night, while Quad Cities and Batavia were rained out. Big news on the farm tonight, as Carlos Martinez got the start and a Cardinals pitcher threw a no-hitter! Check out who it was below…
- Memphis destroyed Colorado Springs pitching to the point where Adam Ottavino was 2-3 with 2 RBI
- Tyler Greene drilled 2 homers and finished with 4 hits
- Andrew Brown also totaled 4 hits, which included a double
- Bryan Anderson and Matt Carpenter both went 3-5 on the night with a walk. Carpenter had a double
- Pete Kozma was 2-3 with 4 RBI
- Shane Robinson went 2-6 with a double and stole his 7th base for Memphis
- Mark Hamilton went 2-4 with a double and 2 walks
- Adam Ottavino gave up 7 runs (5 earned) off of 9 hits and 1 walk in 5.2 innings. He struck out 7
(rain delays suck)
- Zack Cox was 2-3 with a double and walk
- Daryl Jones had a triple as his sole hit in 3 at-bats
- Eric Duncan hit a pinch-hit solo-HR
- Matt Adams went 1-3 with a walk
- Michael Blazek struck out an impressive 9 over 5 innings, but he also gave up 4 runs off of 5 hits (1 HR), and 2 walks
- Francisco Samuel came in and gave up 5 runs (4 earned) off of 2 hits and 3 walks without recording an out
Fort Myers 7, Palm Beach 2 (Game 1)
- Domnit Bolivar was 2-4 with a double
- Kyle Conley went 1-3 with a double
- Greg Garcia had a walk and single on the night
- Luis De La Cruz and Edgar Lara both went 1-3
- Carlos Martinez had a disappointing night. He gave up 5 runs (4 earned) off of 7 hits, 3 walks, and only struck out 1 in 2.1 innings. However, he only gave up 1 extra-base hit and 3 of his outs that were recorded in the field were all groundballs, so bad defense may have played a role.
Palm Beach 10, Fort Myers 0 (Game 2)
- DRUMROLL………….Tyler Lyons pitched a no-hitter…..CHEERSFIREWORKSCHEERSFIREWORKS….1 walk to Angel Morales was the only baserunner that Lyons allowed in his 7 innings pitched. It was a shortened no-hitter, but a no-hitter nonetheless. He struck out 8 on the night and had a GO:FO ratio of 8:2
- Kyle Conley hit cleanup and drilled 2 doubles in 4 at-bats
- Alan Ahmady had 2 walks in the leadoff spot
- Xavier Scruggs slammed 2 homers in back-to-back innings
- Rainel Rosario had a triple in 4 at-bats
- Ted Obregon went a perfect 2-2 with a walk in the 9th spot
- Domnit Bolivar had a solo-shot in the first as his only hit of the night
- Tyler Rahmatulla, who is having a phenomenal season, went a perfect 3-3 with 2 doubles and 2 walks. He was also caught stealing
- Kolby Byrd and Breyvil Valera both went 2-4 with a double each
- David Washington hit a 2-run homer in the 7th. Both he and Jonathan Keener had a hat trick in strikeouts, but Keener went hitless
- Matt Williams hit 2nd and went 2-4 with 2 doubles. He also stole his 14th base
- Anthony Garcia was 1-3 with a walk and stolen base
- Jose Pasen had a very solid start, as he gave up 2 runs off of 2 hits, 0 walks, and 4 strikeouts in 6 innings. He also hit a batter
- Logan Billbrough pitched a perfect inning out of the pen and recorded a strike out
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Gotta give props to Shelby Miller. I saw him sign every autograph that came his way behind home plate when he was tracking John Gast’s start in Tulsa.
Memphis hitters are sure getting to pad their stats nicely on the high elevation trip to Reno and Colorado Springs scoring 9.67 RPG on 14.33 Hits per game after the first 6 games of the trip and the next time out the get to go to Albuquerque to cap a nice 16 game block on the road in extreme hitters parks.
Congratulations Tyler, very cool accomplishment
Matt Carp & Zack Cox are both hitting over .300! Carp has 19 hits, 5 walks and only 2 Ks in his last 43 ABs. This is a great time to be a Cardinal fan when you consider that we have a ton of pitching prospects. And now it looks like we have 6 solid position prospects to go with it(Carp, Cox, Wong, Taveras, Adams and Jackson). This is fun.
T. Greene refuses to go quietly. He deserves his shot with extended playing time in the MLB.
I’ve been a fan of the minor leagues and player development going back to Jorge Roque, Leron Lee and Harry Parker in the late 60′s to early 70′s. I do not remember any time with a system as loaded as this is. And remember, this is not a system that will likely be a top 5 or 10 in organizational rankings. Cardinal minor league’s has been a void for a long time. They have developed players, but not this many at one time in my memory. many of their prospects, I recall, came from other teams originally. regardless of the problems in the front office that happened several years ago, the current team is doing a good job choosing players in the draft. Just my opinion.
My impression from something Kevin Goldstein wrote is that a top-10 standing is not out of the question for 2012.
Kevin Goldstein had an interesting tweet on C-Mart saying that he may be hitting a wall because of innings pitched
@Kevin_Goldstein(Kevin Goldstein): Cardinals high-ceiling arm Carlos Martinez gives up seven hits and five runs without getting out of the third tonight. #GettingTired
It’s time to shut Martinez down. Promote rosenthal.
Most know I’m a Rosenthal homer, but personally I would like for him to stay in QC for the play-offs given the late date. Whiting as well. Both got rings at Johnson City last year. 2 rings in 2 years would be a hell of an accomplishment for the several JC champs now playing in QC. PB could move Swags back into the starting rotation for a couple of games absent any other option.
I’m in total agreement on a CMart shutdown, and we talked about why after CMart’s last start.
Martinez isn’t going to build needed endurance by being shut down, unless you’re advocating pulling him from games but continuing on a throwing program.
Agreed. I’m not sure what the best way of handling him is, but I don’t think a complete shutdown in the answer.
How about a move to the pen ala Swaggerty?
My belief is that they have to have some sort of offseason strengthening program in mind. Just get it started early under the supervision of the Organization before he heads back home. Hopefully when Feb rolls around, he can hit the ground running. He only has 4 starts left in the season. I’m not an expert on pitching nor building pitching endurance. However, I thought I have always heard that a pitcher is most vulnerable to injury pitching tired. If that isn’t true, then why did they move Swags to the bullpen? If they want to move CMart to the bullpen, I guess that is fine too. All I am saying is I wouldn’t be taking any chances with this gold nugget.
Maybe it has nothing to do with Martinez being tired or shutting him down . Maybe he just wasnt ready for a promotion to High A after a total of 8 career starts below that level. Would there have been any harm in letting a 19 yr old stay in Low A for the rest of teh season and continue to dominate while he leard how to command his stuff?
Probably no more than promoting him and letting him get a wake up call that he needs to get better. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I had an agent tell me there isn’t that much difference between High A and Low A other than maybe the age difference. Do you disagree? I have heard the same thing regarding rookie ball and short season A…..
The general rule of thumb is that the first real big jump is from Single A to Double A.
But the manager in Palm Beach is the reason he was promoted so quickly, or so I’ve heard.
I dont think you shut Martinez down. You just start to skip his turn in the rotations a couple times – personal favorite as it gives you time to work on mechanics and pitches without the between start work interfering.
The other option is to add an extraday between starts.
Either way you will limit his innings without slowing his development.
HugeCardsFan and RichardRich both need to check their e-mail.
Thank goodness you got to that Azru, what a joke of a discussion and horrible pissing match. Why do people take prospects so seriously? It’s not like we all have to be Tony Rasmus around here.
I don’t have anything AZ, are you using RichBoy99@ymail.com?
I’ve now sent it to that e-mail.
I have no idea who Tyler Lyons is.
Some fun with traditional stats (qualified players):
Matt Adams leads the Texas League in SLG at .609
Matt Carpenter leads the PCL in walks
Seth Blair leads the Midwest League in walks issued (and just went on the DL)
Boone Whiting leads the Midwest League (and all of the full season Minor Leagues) in WHIP at 0.82
Nicholas Martini (2011 Draft) has the lowest BA (.163) and SLG (.209) in the NYP league among qualified hitters
Todd McInnins leads the NYP League in WHIP at 0.92
Roberto De La Cruz leads the Appy League with 12 homers
Tyler Rahmatulla leads the Appy League in doubles with 18
Tyler Melling leads the GCL in the all-important “wins” stat with 5
De La Cruz and Whiting have impressed
Was there any word about why Blair went on the DL? It leaves open the possibility that he has something physically wrong with him as opposed to just being a bad pitcher.
It’d be logical that Blair is either hurt, changed his mechanics, or got Steve Blass disease. In his last year at ASU, he struck out 108 in 106 innings with 29 walks. You don’t completely “forget” how to throw strikes and become a bad pitcher in one year unless one of the above things happened.
Derrick Goold has a lot of good info on Lyons. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/article_b707ba9a-c29c-11e0-a31a-0019bb30f31a.html
anybody have a good assessment of kyle conley? he’s hitting up a storm, and i know zip about him.
older (24 y.o.); been injured a lot (less than 500 pro ab’s in 3 seasons); projected to have lots of power which he has shown to be true; pretty high K totals though (over 25% career).
Update on Tilson:
http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illini-sports/baseball/2011-08-08/waiting-game-continues-tilson-illini.html
I wouldn’t count on the Cardinals signing him tbh. I’ve heard 1.5 million is the magical number to get him signed, and if that is true that is way too much money. That would be more money than what C.J. Cron, the 17th pick in the most recent draft, signed for.
It could certainly go either way, but im still inclined to believe he will sign with St. Louis at the deadline. The reason for this is because the team has put a priority on signing its highest draft picks and seems to have always known what it would take to get them signed and also pay that amount. Examples the last two years are both Zach Cox and Shelby Miller, who both didnt sign until the last day or right around that time and also no one was sure about them signing up until that point just like Tilson. Once again, anything is possible but based on history it seems to me the Cardinals wouldn’t have drafted Tilson so high if they didn’t think there wasnt a very good chance to get him signed.
Sounds to me like they drafted another Rasmus problem. Daddy handling the negotiations??? And Daddy’s a lawyer??? Well I’m sure he is looking to hold up the bank of the StL Cardinals and that is not going to happen based off what I see in this player. 5-11??? 175??? no power??? It’s not like were are talking about the next Mike Stanton, Jason Heyward, or Freddie Freeman here. For crying out loud the guys an undersized out fielder here… This is exactly why they need to institute hard & strict contracts for draftees and take away the right to go back into the draft if they don’t sign. The team needs to hold their rights to the player period.
Looks like the guys compares to??? tadaa….. a poor mans Corey Patterson
44 Corey Patterson L-R 5’10″ 180
Wonder if the Cubs would like that #3 overall pick back???
projecting a prospect based primarily on his height and weight is a silly exercise. some short, skinny guys can hit. some tall, strong guys can’t.
i bet i could find a terrible player of roughly the same size and weight for each of our top 20 prospects. that says nothing about whether they’ll be successful.
not to say that height and weight are irrelevant, but using it as your only criteria is ridiculous.
Tom…. you can teach size, or prototypical size. He does not have the potential of athletes like Stanton or Heyward or Freeman??? He could be the next Vince Coleman or Corey Patterson???
this is just garbage analysis. the only thing you’re relying on is his height, his weight, and the fact that he’s not a power hitter.
there are lots of valuable CF who are not power hitters. if he has plus defense and a high OBP, he could be a pretty valuable guy.
shane victorino is 5’9″ and 190. he’s never hit 20 HR in a season. he’s also the second most valuable CF in the league this year.
I’m inclined to agree with tom as well. You’re basing purely on height and weight as to Tilson. I compare him closer to Jacoby Ellsbury that I do Corey Patterson.
@ Karmaloop…
So you compare Tilson to Ellsbury & Corey Patterson or Victorono. Aren’t these guys around the same size as Tilson? We can’t compare Tilson to guys that are 6-5 240 because he just isn’t that size. He’s a small guy…
If you want to play that game then Tilson compares to Ty Cobb (6’1, 175, bats left). I’ll take a .366 lifetime average and .945 OPS with the lack of HR power.
I don’t see the comparison. At least not yet. His dad actually negotiates contracts for a living. Plus, as a potential NCAA athlete, you can’t have a representation any way.
Every hs player and NCAA eligable player has their contract negotiated by the family.
This is one of the more irrational comments I’ve read today.
I’m not sure what commenters here are drinking lately but it’s making them less rational than usual.
That is just utter garbage. Austin Wilson’s dad was representing him last year. Was he a “stage dad”? If your father can handle negotiating your signing bonus it sounds like a smart economic decision to me.
It is really disappointing to see the guys at AAA hitting .344 and they cant get constant playing time at STL to make the jump. This is not an indication of the players as it is more of an indictment of TLR’s managing issues. An you can’t use pitchers that have developed in STL as a comparison to position players. TLR has to use them.
TLR would make a great manager for the Yankees who pay veteran players high salaries and the sky is the limit for payroll. However, TLR does not fit with STL’s payroll and the fact that he refuses to let top young players the organization has developed get consistent playing time in the field and AB’s to make the jump. In TRL’s book your either good enough or you not. If it takes a position player time to make the adjustment and they are not able to do that while sitting on the bench and getting sporatic playing time then they will not make it with TRL and the way he manages. His managing style is what has led to the current problem of the ML payroll being tied up in only a few players on the roster and that fact that we continually have to go out and sign middle infielders and make idiotic trades during mid season. I would think by now the organization would have noticed this problem. His managing style has to go or we will wind up being the Houston Astros in several years when we are saddled with huge veteran contracts and suck.
Its really disappoint to see guys waste their opportunity then have card fans wine about it on message boards.
Please state your case.
The riot hits .273 and is not good enough. But Greene’s .196 is acceptable?
Its amazing how he kept so many top guys from making the team. Molina, Pujols, Skip, Freese, Jay. Garcia, Salas. No wait, those guys actually dispute your point.
Theriot brings no extra base power, no speed and horrible D to the table. Greene brings alot more upside and hasn’t even gotten a real chance. Greene has better range, more power, more extra base power and is a legit stolen base threat.
He has gotten his chance. He he didn’t take advantage of it. Theriot did (at least for a while).
Playing guys based on hope is something you do when you are a developing team, not in a pennant race.
If the cards were 20 games out, you go with Greene.
Maybe you should take hooked on phonics and learn how to read. Excluding pitchers which TLR has to use out of the pen because he has no other option. The guy does not give constant playing time to young “….position players……” that are not able to make the ML adjust to sporatic playing time & ABs, and sitting on the bench.
Whoaaaa that a pretty impressive list… lol…All the position players you mentioned where able to make the ML adjustment with playing time. And looking at your list its very funny that these guys are the few that got major playing time when they came up. No wonder they were able to adjust. I don’t believe Molina or AP ever sat on the bench like Craig, Greene, or others have had to do…
“Maybe you should take hooked on phonics and learn how to read.”
Please avoid personal attacks. Not sure why you’re going on a tirade today but it isn’t appreciated.
Mr Theriot is making 3.3M…. Mr. Greene makes 400K…. I’m sure that 2.9M in salry difference could be used some place else… just like the 12.187M and 8M we are paying two number 5 starters….
Which is why Theriot will not be resigned.
And lests be honest. Greene isn’t on this team because of Descalso, not Theriot.
And by the way, who are all these great players that LaRussa refused to give an opportuinty and are thriving in other ogranizations?
The cards are really missing jarret Hoffpair right now.
Also, LaRussa probably uses his bench more than any other player.
But we get it. You are on record saying the the cards should not have wated money on Holliday, Pujols and Carpenter.
LaRussa… would make a great coach on the Yankees… I wonder what Jeter would say the first time he was made to platoon because he was hitting .260???
I am on the fence about Tyler Greene. He does seem like he would be a low cost option with good upside–although he has always struck out a bit too much. I would also agree that he has gotten sporadic playing time and I would liked to have seen if he would ever relax and play like he does in AAA if he was given regular playing time at the major league level. On the other hand he will be 28 on the 17th which is a few years past prospect status and I also don’t think there are a lot of teams that would have given him regular playing time to work things out in the middle of a pennant race.