Comments on: Probable Starters: 8/9

By: Forsch31

Forsch31 — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:01:07 +0000

Especially when, in my mind, there’s a question of how long he’s had this injury.

By: RCHIII

RCHIII — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:21:25 +0000

Guess that depends on your definition. The prime of his career Maddux topped out 88-89. That used to be called an “average” fast ball at the time, however, I think the definition of average in terms of velocity has risen to probably around 92 or so.

By: JC

JC — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:13:10 +0000

Minor Leaguers are more inconsistent than MLB pitchers…thats understood. The amount of inconsistencies that he has provided this year makes me think there is a slim chance he makes it as a starter. Like I said I hope he proves me wrong but I am just not seeing it. There is always an argument on both sides and time will tell of course.

As a sidenote I have not been impressed how the Cards have handled him this year having him bounce around so much even though he had minimal experience above A ball. I know he was on the 40 man which comes into play.

By: dave barry

dave barry — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:54:32 +0000

This s a ridiculous thing to say.

By: Indiana Cardinal

Indiana Cardinal — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:19:08 +0000

The fact that this is his first year above High A ball and that he has actually done well at AA and AAA with a taste of the majors causes me to want to see him with a full season next year at AAA before I conclude as to whether he can start long term or is a reliever.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:16:27 +0000

Fair enough but which Minor League pitcher has a consistent good games other than Shelby Miller? And Cleto is facing better competition than Miller this year so far. Just saying just think of this as his 1st or second year in the minors because he is a totally different pitcher now. The fact is he has MLB stuff his breaking ball is coming along and no need to write him off so quickly.

By: JC

JC — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:02:06 +0000

Another big problem and reason he can’t go deep into games…WAY too many walks especially since the beginning of July. No way he can get away with that in the bigs as a starter.

By: JC

JC — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:00:22 +0000

I mean on a consistent basis he has not gotten the job done. He has some bad outings, then some outings where things are going pretty well and then he loses it, other games where he looks good but rarely goes more than 6IP. If he was going good most of the time and only going 6IP I wouldn’t be as concerned. But its 2 good outings then 2 bad ones. 1 really good one then a stinker. Thats what I mean about how he goes about his business night in and out.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:54:23 +0000

Speaking of Cleto- Tonight in Colorado Springs which is a MAJOR hitters park he has a 1 hitter through 5. Only given up 1 run he is having control issues with 6 walks but he also has 6 k’s.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:32:10 +0000

What do you mean how he goes about his business? I saw his last game where he threw a 3 hitter. He still has his heat and his breaking pitch is much improving. 2 of his 4 k’s were on called third strike breaking balls. You do remember he only got as high as high A with the Mariners and he started this year in High A here. Pretty good for someone who started in Palm Beach and has pitched in SPringfield, St. Louis and Memphis this year.