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		<title>By: bc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 00:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assault and battery doesn&#039;t need to be a criminal action; it can be a civil one. And the terms are still not redundant; a threat and action are two different things (I guess it&#039;s possible you don&#039;t know what redundant means though).  I don&#039;t understand why you mention potential attempted murder or any of those other things; I didn&#039;t mention them.  I also don&#039;t see where I&#039;m &quot;backtracking.&quot; Honestly, this is a dumb conversation; feel free to have the last word. I come here to talk about Cards prospects, not to give a vocabulary lesson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assault and battery doesn&#8217;t need to be a criminal action; it can be a civil one. And the terms are still not redundant; a threat and action are two different things (I guess it&#8217;s possible you don&#8217;t know what redundant means though).  I don&#8217;t understand why you mention potential attempted murder or any of those other things; I didn&#8217;t mention them.  I also don&#8217;t see where I&#8217;m &#8220;backtracking.&#8221; Honestly, this is a dumb conversation; feel free to have the last word. I come here to talk about Cards prospects, not to give a vocabulary lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: VolsnCards5</title>
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		<dc:creator>VolsnCards5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just saying your understanding of the terms assault and battery are off, and that you were putting words into Bc&#039;s mouth. And bc only called Jeff naive after Jeff said the exact same thing. And that naive comment had nothing to Di with my post]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just saying your understanding of the terms assault and battery are off, and that you were putting words into Bc&#8217;s mouth. And bc only called Jeff naive after Jeff said the exact same thing. And that naive comment had nothing to Di with my post</p>
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		<title>By: Gruntosaurus</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2011/08/16/shelby-miller-suspended/comment-page-1/#comment-48657</link>
		<dc:creator>Gruntosaurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Age really doesn&#039;t matter.  What matters is that I was expected to eschew certain behaviors starting IMMEDIATELY, with potentially baleful consequences if I didn&#039;t.  (If it helps, I was older than Shelby -- but I know people who got that clearance at a younger age than he is now.)

Another anecdote.  My boss for a while was a guy who went from that job to become a Very Important Person in government circles.  I once heard him counseling another of his people, who&#039;d had one of those peccadilloes, thus: &quot;Look.  You remember when you signed the clearance form saying you wouldn&#039;t join groups that conspired against the government, did XYZ bad things, etc.?  Before I took this job, I _did_ all of those things.  What you have to do is admit it, and then make freaking sure you never do them again.&quot;  He didn&#039;t do them again, and the guilty employee, who has also gone on to a position of considerable power (and one that continues to require a clearance), hasn&#039;t either, to the best of my knowledge.

Nobody is asking -- now -- whether Shelby got into adolescent tiffs before becoming a professional baseball player.  That&#039;s irrelevant to his current situation.  What is relevant is that he NEVER DO IT AGAIN.  I don&#039;t know what got him this suspension; frankly, it is none of my business.  If he learned his lesson from it, as David Freese appears to have done with his DUI, then life goes on.  But the last thing he needs is enablers saying &quot;boys will be boys.&quot;  Steep learning curve?   Yeah.  So was his asking price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age really doesn&#8217;t matter.  What matters is that I was expected to eschew certain behaviors starting IMMEDIATELY, with potentially baleful consequences if I didn&#8217;t.  (If it helps, I was older than Shelby &#8212; but I know people who got that clearance at a younger age than he is now.)</p>
<p>Another anecdote.  My boss for a while was a guy who went from that job to become a Very Important Person in government circles.  I once heard him counseling another of his people, who&#8217;d had one of those peccadilloes, thus: &#8220;Look.  You remember when you signed the clearance form saying you wouldn&#8217;t join groups that conspired against the government, did XYZ bad things, etc.?  Before I took this job, I _did_ all of those things.  What you have to do is admit it, and then make freaking sure you never do them again.&#8221;  He didn&#8217;t do them again, and the guilty employee, who has also gone on to a position of considerable power (and one that continues to require a clearance), hasn&#8217;t either, to the best of my knowledge.</p>
<p>Nobody is asking &#8212; now &#8212; whether Shelby got into adolescent tiffs before becoming a professional baseball player.  That&#8217;s irrelevant to his current situation.  What is relevant is that he NEVER DO IT AGAIN.  I don&#8217;t know what got him this suspension; frankly, it is none of my business.  If he learned his lesson from it, as David Freese appears to have done with his DUI, then life goes on.  But the last thing he needs is enablers saying &#8220;boys will be boys.&#8221;  Steep learning curve?   Yeah.  So was his asking price.</p>
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		<title>By: zuke354</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuke354</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree 100%.

But here is the catch, at what age were you given that clearance?

That learning curve does need to be much sharper than most other 20 Year olds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree 100%.</p>
<p>But here is the catch, at what age were you given that clearance?</p>
<p>That learning curve does need to be much sharper than most other 20 Year olds.</p>
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		<title>By: zuke354</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuke354</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think people take crimes involving booze too lighlty.

Its interesting how people still boycott Vick, but nobody really hasseled Lenord Little.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think people take crimes involving booze too lighlty.</p>
<p>Its interesting how people still boycott Vick, but nobody really hasseled Lenord Little.</p>
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		<title>By: zuke354</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuke354</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Volsn, Please stop.

This person wanted to take an atricle and make a mountain out of a mole hill. This is no different that many others like it. Was anybody arrested? No. Which means no one probably will. But that didn&#039;t stop the poster from calling somebody naive did it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volsn, Please stop.</p>
<p>This person wanted to take an atricle and make a mountain out of a mole hill. This is no different that many others like it. Was anybody arrested? No. Which means no one probably will. But that didn&#8217;t stop the poster from calling somebody naive did it?</p>
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		<title>By: RCHIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCHIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is probably the best explanation of this side of the position - well said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably the best explanation of this side of the position &#8211; well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Gruntosaurus</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2011/08/16/shelby-miller-suspended/comment-page-1/#comment-48643</link>
		<dc:creator>Gruntosaurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Higher standards, ABSOLUTELY.

I am an American male of a certain age (what age really doesn&#039;t matter) and therefore am theoretically susceptible to the behavioral peccadilloes of other American males my age.  However, I also happen to hold a security clearance, which most American males my age do not.  That clearance, in return for which I get certain professional opportunities that would not be available to me without one, dictates that my avoidance of some of those behavioral peccadilloes isn&#039;t just healthy, or a good idea, or something that I&#039;ll have to grow into.  Avoiding them is MANDATORY, NOW.  That is the price I pay for the advantages that that clearance confers.  I knew all that when I signed up to get the durn thing, without which I would have had a less ... interesting career to date.

Shelby Miller&#039;s right arm is his security clearance.  It gives him opportunities most of us cannot imagine.  It also imposes certain standards on him that the typical 20-year-old can ignore.  This isn&#039;t a boys-will-be-boys situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Higher standards, ABSOLUTELY.</p>
<p>I am an American male of a certain age (what age really doesn&#8217;t matter) and therefore am theoretically susceptible to the behavioral peccadilloes of other American males my age.  However, I also happen to hold a security clearance, which most American males my age do not.  That clearance, in return for which I get certain professional opportunities that would not be available to me without one, dictates that my avoidance of some of those behavioral peccadilloes isn&#8217;t just healthy, or a good idea, or something that I&#8217;ll have to grow into.  Avoiding them is MANDATORY, NOW.  That is the price I pay for the advantages that that clearance confers.  I knew all that when I signed up to get the durn thing, without which I would have had a less &#8230; interesting career to date.</p>
<p>Shelby Miller&#8217;s right arm is his security clearance.  It gives him opportunities most of us cannot imagine.  It also imposes certain standards on him that the typical 20-year-old can ignore.  This isn&#8217;t a boys-will-be-boys situation.</p>
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		<title>By: VolsnCards5</title>
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		<dc:creator>VolsnCards5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zuke- just stop. He&#039;s not suing every scuffle leads to criminal charges. And the terms are not redundant, at least in the eyes of the judicial system. And yes, if Shelby punched someone, it is assault and battery. Doesn&#039;t mean cops are involved, or that he will be charged, but it is still assault and battery]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zuke- just stop. He&#8217;s not suing every scuffle leads to criminal charges. And the terms are not redundant, at least in the eyes of the judicial system. And yes, if Shelby punched someone, it is assault and battery. Doesn&#8217;t mean cops are involved, or that he will be charged, but it is still assault and battery</p>
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		<title>By: zuke354</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuke354</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice backtracking.

The fact that you think every little scuffle in this country ends up as a criminal action is just assinine and not even logical, but yet you set on your high hourse and others for what you don&#039;t understand.

Assault, is the threat of violence, Battery is the action of it. So it is redundant.

So there i guess there is also a POTENTIAL for attempted murder, kidnapping, hate crime and whole other onslaught of other crimes.

It seems nobody was arrested that night, so its even more unlikely that anybody will be now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice backtracking.</p>
<p>The fact that you think every little scuffle in this country ends up as a criminal action is just assinine and not even logical, but yet you set on your high hourse and others for what you don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>Assault, is the threat of violence, Battery is the action of it. So it is redundant.</p>
<p>So there i guess there is also a POTENTIAL for attempted murder, kidnapping, hate crime and whole other onslaught of other crimes.</p>
<p>It seems nobody was arrested that night, so its even more unlikely that anybody will be now.</p>
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