Updated Positional Depth Chart Part 2
Posted on August 16th, 2011 by Pierce in Prospect rankings, tags: Oscar Taveras, Ryan Jackson, zack coxDue to popular demand, I now present you Part 2 of the updated depth chart for the top position player in the Cardinals system for each respective position. In respect of cariocacardinal’s insistent pleadings to PLEEAAAAAASE define what I’m trying to do, each prospect I list represents who I believe to be the top prospect at each position who has the best shot to make the most impact in the major leagues.
I have only included one outfielder in interest of length, but I also welcome plenty of debate at who might make it in a top 3 listing, especially with the inclusion of Charlie Tilson to the system.
Third Base
Zack Cox: Zack Cox is an interesting prospect in that he has his share of detractors and supports much in the same way of Kolten Wong. The Cardinals saw Cox fall to them in the first round of the 2010 Draft due to signing demands, but they snatched him up and ended up signing him to a major-league contract. Cox’s bat was touted as being the best in the draft and most MLB ready. The concerns with him stemmed from doubts about his ability to remain at third base, and while those doubts haven’t exactly been answered, all indications are that he’s been decent enough to be able to remain there in the future.
Cox has started off slow to each level so far in his career but has come back each time to post solid numbers. In around 100 more at-bats with Springfield than Palm Beach this season, Cox’s stats roughly mirror each other between both levels. He’s currently sitting 4th in wRC+ for third baseman who have 200+ plate appearances in the Texas League. His ISO of .124 leaves a lot to be desired and currently rests just 4 points away from being last in the league; however, Keith Law of ESPN still sees plenty of power potential in him. You’d also like to see more walks out of him, but his walk rate is good enough at this point as he maintains a .300+ average.
At the very least, Cox should post a .300+ average with solid gap power. He won’t become an All Star if he doesn’t develop 20 home run power, but if he plays average defense at third he’ll be a solid regular. The Cardinals currently have David Freese on the major league level and Matt Carpenter in AAA, so there’s also a chance that Cox becomes trade bait in the offseason should the Cardinals find a player that fills a specific need.
Shortstop
Ryan Jackson: When Ryan Jackson was taken by the Cardinals in the 5th round of the 2009 Draft, the scouting report on him read that his defense was major-league ready with good instincts and a plus arm, but he carried with him a below-average bat with little power. Jackson started to quiet the doubters somewhat with a slash line of .278/.359/.362 in 2010 between Quad Cities and Palm Beach in his 2nd year with the farm. A .359 slugging percentage in A-ball isn’t going to be enough to get anybody excited, but it was a definite improvement over what he was supposedly capable of doing. Jackson has followed that up this year hitting .279/.342/.426. The BB% has suffered a bit with the increased power, but anybody will take the tradeoff.
Some people have confused the internal excitement over Jackson in that he’s considered as a potential star. One thing to not get confused about is that Jackson does not rate above average in any category outside of his defense. He’s never going to be a star hitter. However, he has proved in the past couple years that his offensive potential may have increased to the point where he can rate average for a shortstop. If he can prove his offensive improvements are sustainable to the next two levels, the St. Louis Cardinals have a valuable prospect on their hands. He would give the Cardinals something that they haven’t been able to develop in a long time: a consistent regular starting shortstop.
Outfield:
Oscar Taveras: Oscar Taveras might be the most exciting position prospect the Cardinals have had since drafting Colby Rasmus. Taveras hits, and he hits a ton. His early season was marred by hamstring issues, but Taveras was finally able to push past that and post a line of .378/.426/.569. Gaining an increasing amount of national attention, Taveras hasn’t slowed down since getting consistent playing time in the past month and a half. His wRC+ of 176 for outfielders in the Midwest league who qualify with 200 at-bats rates first by 10 points. Despite posting a .378 average, his BABIP is a tantalizing .436 this season, which is obviously unsustainable over the long run. However, his line drive rate alone means it’s not all luck.
Taveras started to gain attention a year and a half after he was signed from the Dominican Republic when he posted a solid average with very good power numbers in rookie ball at Johnson City. He’s only increased those numbers this year after being promoted to Quad Cities. For the power and lack of experience that Taveras exhibits, his strike out rate is pretty impressive. His 16.4 K% is of the top 50 best strikeout rates in the Midwest League, and only two players in that range have cracked a slugging percentage above .500, while Taveras sits at .569. His BB% of 8.0 needs improvement, but that will come with experience for a player who recently just turned 19-years old.
If there’s one area that Taveras needs the most improvement it’s his defense. He should have enough speed to be at least average in centerfield or rightfield, but with average arm strength, he rates best in right. He’s also been known to take very bad routes on balls, but that could also get better with experience. Taveras has the bat speed, power, and line drive capability of being a solid regular in the majors. At 19-years old, Taveras is going to have to prove that he can stay healthy and maintain his numbers next year in high-A. That being said, Taveras represents a highly projectable outfielder that the Cardinals currently lack in their system.
Please note that all statistics were compiled on August 10th.

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Zack Cox…Agree. But what happens with Carpenter? I agree that Cox might be traded.I see Cox more as a Bill Mueller type player. I think those guys are actually underappreciated. For what ever reason people are obsessed with power at the thirdbase position so much, great thirdbaseman are over looked. Polonco has had a great career. But no one notices. Bill Mueller posted a career .291/.373/.797. I would love to have those numbers. But some see that as failure.
I doubt Cox gets traded. Despite his value to the main club, Freese has been dealing with injuries, freak and otherwise, for a while now, and he’s still playing on rebuilt ankles that limit his playing time. Right now, Cox and Carpenter are the only two real 3B prospects in the system, and Carpenter’s close to the majors. Better to keep the bullets in the gun for now.
I tend to agree. As Freese gets more expensive (assuming expensive stars are retained) he will probably be moved for youth or need players, and the hot corner will be manned by either Carpenter or Cox.
I don’t see them keeping both Cox and Carpenter.
Carpenter’s upside isn’t very high.
I think it interesting that 2 of the top 5 players in the Cards system are here because they fell due to contract demands (Cox and Miller). It is interesting given the “fact” that DeWitt is such a cheapskate…..just saying
Didn’t realize that Tavares was down to 378…time to panic !!
On the plus side, his BB% is above 9% and rising.
He’s gotta be a top 50 prospect by season’s end. Completely killing the league at such a young age and just oozing tools… easily the most exciting position player in the system.
I put Cox over Carpenter only because i think he has the potential to add power. If he doesn’t, Carpenter may have as good a chance.
I like Carpenter’s defense better, though.
Pleadings? Plural? :) Ok, I guess I deserved it in any case. But it does help the debate.
Just having a little fun : D
I think we are seriously weak in OF depth. Maybe the worst position in the organization at this point.
Taveras
Tilson (pretty bad when an overpaid 2nd round pick is your 2nd best OF prospect.)
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Cox? (with Carpenter/Freese at 3rd)
Rosario
Chambers/Luna
Can’t be strong everywhere. The system has given us a lot of OF talent in recent years. Rasmus. Jay. Craig. Skip. And plenty of other guys that were 4th or 5th OF types. It’s a little bare in that area right now, but we are stronger in other areas. Luckily we have Holliday and Jay for awhile, and Craig as well if we want him in RF.
Of is weak, but I would rather be thin at OF than any other position. OF’s can be convereted and are the esiest spots to fill.
Yep. And I would think that if both Cox and M Carpenter make it to the parent club (barring trades) one or the other (maybe both ) will see time in the OF anyway, just like Craig. Especially if Wong comes on pretty quickly at second, and if Freese doesn’t spontaneously combust at third (provided one of his appendages doesn’t fall off or he gets hit with a meteor shower or gets ebola virus). They’ll have to try to get their (Cox and Carpenter) left -handed bats into the offense somehow (depending on what may transpire with Berkman, of course). It could be an interesting off-season for St L.
But, again, systemic outfield shortcomings can be compensated for in a number of ways. (Sorry for the stream-of-consciousness sort of post.)
Yo, Jerry
Great comments and touch of hyperbole
If Pham could stay healthy, he’s got to be on that list.
Yes, forgot him. Out of sight out of mind!
Putting Tilson as #2 is extremely premature. He is an exciting prospect but still plenty raw. Pham, Longmire (even with his struggles), DJ Tools (he is still young enough to provide something), Edmondson and Anthony Garcia should get mentioned. Outside of Taveras there is no one that is showing star power but plenty of athletic types (Tilson, Hill, Reggie Williams Jr, Anthony Bryant, Jeffries to name a few) that are very raw from a baseball perspective. You put that along side the fact that we graduated Jay, Craig and Rasmus over the past few years and we are fine in the OF.
The other thing to consider is in MLB FA it is easier to get a corner OF signed than probably any other position…so if we are going to be weak at a position in the system corner OF would be my pick.
Don’t forget McElroy, super athletic and his father was a major leaguer, which doesn’t guarantee anything, but it tells me he understands the work he will have to put in. From what I have read about him, he is the type of guy who will put in the work, and he is athletic. Not saying he necessarily has the talent to be a star, but I think he will likely see the major leagues and contribute at some point.
I am sure I forgot a number of very athletic OF types we have as I just went off guys from the top of my head to make the point…but yes McElroy definitely falls in this category for sure.
I don’t think Tilson has earned 2d best OF prospect yet. I’d probably give that to Pham or Chambers.
Agree that outfield’s a weak spot but I’m pretty impressed with what Anthony Garcia has done the last two years and I give the #2 spot to him. I also believe that Tommy Pham’s a major leaguer if he could stop breaking bones. Lastly the club seems to be trying to address the situation drafting the three young speedsters this year. It’ll take a year or two to see which if any of them shake out as real prospects but I think we’re way better off than a year ago.
“but with average arm strength he rates best in right” Isn’t arm strength considered more important in RF than CF?
Yep, that’s my fault.
According to Rick Hummel, Shelby Miller has been suspended due to a “violation of team policy”. Apparently, something happened last week that triggered the suspension. Not sure of the length, but he went on to say that they expect him to make 1 more start prior to the end of the season.
Indefinite suspension. Sounds bad.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/article_23043774-c846-11e0-aa1e-001a4bcf6878.html
Really? He’s a 20-year-old baseball player. You can’t throw a rock at college baseball team without finding a guy who hasn’t been in a little drunken fight.
He’ll get a slap on the wrist — and a nice talking to from Pop, Vuch, and Mo — and his charmed life will go on.
Anyone know if the org signed anyone besides Tilson yesterday?
Read somewhere that Chris Castellanos (sp?) (43rd?) signed.
Constantino. 3rd baseman.
Looks like Constantino pitched 1 inning in relief for Johnson City. Still has .000 ERA.
I was hoping for 20th Rd HS C Aramis Garcia but it doesn’t appear it happened.
Good point on Pham, guys. Sure it’s been an up ‘n down career—and now marred by injury, too—but the 23-year-old’s line in more than 300 AA plate appearances is .314/.398/.527, with a passable 36/68 BB/K.
The defense looks pretty good, too, in centerfield…especially those 44 assists versus just 13 errors, in roughly 400 games.
Get healthy, Tommy!
In terms of the OF, got to be:
1) Taveras
2) Pham
3) Tilson
I’d probably then have Anthony Garcia, Chambers and Luna next in line.
Yeah, your list is better. I forgot both Pham and Garcia.
Pham is a Texas League creation he has a .708 career OPS boosted by his .925 OPS in the TL