Comments on: Daily Farm Report 8/17/2011

By: Travis F

Travis F — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:50:03 +0000

Understand your point, but why not just start him for a couple of innings and bring someone else in. To me, the easiest way to control the situation is to keep him in the rotation.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:22:29 +0000

Agree. There more like real-time bullpen sessions.

By: jjray

jjray — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:29:36 +0000

Having a top prospect pitch out of the pen in A ball is not the same concept as in the show. In the show, winning the game is paramount, thus, game situations dictate when you go to the pen. That would not be the case if Carlos went to the pen in PB. They’d script when he was to appear and how many pitches he would throw. I think it would be more like a piggy back arrangement. Another pitcher starts and goes 4 then Carlos comes in at the start of the 5th and gets 50 pitches. He’s done whenever he hits the limit, even if it is in the middle of a batter. At least that’s how I would envision it happening.

By: bc

bc — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:15:43 +0000

Agreed. If the issue is “being tired” – and I think it’s just speculation that it is – then just limit his innings or pitch count in the context of his normal starts, or even skip a start or two. You build endurance by pitching, not by sitting. And his innings this year have not seen a big jump from prior seasons, nor are they out of line with his age.

By: Anthony Polazzi

Anthony Polazzi — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:46:46 +0000

I’ll never understand this fascination with sending guys to the bullpen. Pitching out of the bullpen is an entirely different process as you don’t know when to warm up, you have to warm up quicker and you get limited work in each time. This makes sense for a guy like Swagerty who has done it for a large part of his career, but makes no sense for Martinez or Miller who have always been starters. You defintiely risk injuring them by pulling them out of their comfort zone.

Since the #1 goal for our top talents is to develop them I have no issue with sending him our there for 3-5 innings on his regular rotation and as soon as he starts to get tired pulling him. That will help keep his innings down and prevent too much wear on his arm but not force him to alter his routine. Although it means we may lose a few more games down the stretch by not having our starter go deep into games I (and I assume the Cards staff) are more than willing to make that sacrifice to do the best thing for Miller and Martinez.

By: tg

tg — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:27:21 +0000

Time to send Martinez to the bullpen or shut him down completely. You can keep up a rigorous but regimented workout session that ensures he’s ready for next year and builds off success from this year. You send him out as a starter in game situations and the only thing you can control is pitch count…not workload intensity or how often he pitches from the stretch.

By: Danny Applegate

Danny Applegate — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:22:30 +0000

Tired arm!!

By: Tackle Box

Tackle Box — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:39:06 +0000

Clearly, Martinez needs to be suspended.

Too soon?

By: Clark

Clark — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:27:13 +0000

Martinez was dominant until the 5th inning and fell apart.