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	<title>Comments on: Cardinals Sign Dominican Pitching Prospect Andres Serrano</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/02/10/cardinals-sign-dominican-pitching-prospect-andres-serrano/comment-page-1/#comment-67100</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 05:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baseball America put out an article on 2 top Dominican prospects waiting for paperwork to go through.  Serrano was one of them.  It has now been 7 months since the Cardinals signed him.  I asked if the time was any indication of what they are finding/have found.  He said that it&#039;s surely indicates something unusual.  I hope he ends up a Cardinals but I&#039;m not confident in it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baseball America put out an article on 2 top Dominican prospects waiting for paperwork to go through.  Serrano was one of them.  It has now been 7 months since the Cardinals signed him.  I asked if the time was any indication of what they are finding/have found.  He said that it&#8217;s surely indicates something unusual.  I hope he ends up a Cardinals but I&#8217;m not confident in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/02/10/cardinals-sign-dominican-pitching-prospect-andres-serrano/comment-page-1/#comment-67099</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 05:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hurtado&#039;s contract was voided when he tested postive for PED&#039;s]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurtado&#8217;s contract was voided when he tested postive for PED&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: cariocacardinal</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/02/10/cardinals-sign-dominican-pitching-prospect-andres-serrano/comment-page-1/#comment-59628</link>
		<dc:creator>cariocacardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tweeted Jim Callis from BA and he replied that the losing team gets both the signing team&#039;s draft pick plus a comp pick (2 picks).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tweeted Jim Callis from BA and he replied that the losing team gets both the signing team&#8217;s draft pick plus a comp pick (2 picks).</p>
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		<title>By: bc</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/02/10/cardinals-sign-dominican-pitching-prospect-andres-serrano/comment-page-1/#comment-59341</link>
		<dc:creator>bc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I understand your idea.  What I&#039;m saying is that the new system obviates the need to do what you suggest and that it wouldn&#039;t make any sense under the new system for a team to follow that plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I understand your idea.  What I&#8217;m saying is that the new system obviates the need to do what you suggest and that it wouldn&#8217;t make any sense under the new system for a team to follow that plan.</p>
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		<title>By: cariocacardinal</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/02/10/cardinals-sign-dominican-pitching-prospect-andres-serrano/comment-page-1/#comment-59339</link>
		<dc:creator>cariocacardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t mean saved (as in not to spend) either.  I meant like you.  but I doubt half a million will make that much of a difference in the ability to sign higher picks that are thinking about going to college.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean saved (as in not to spend) either.  I meant like you.  but I doubt half a million will make that much of a difference in the ability to sign higher picks that are thinking about going to college.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Cardinal</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/02/10/cardinals-sign-dominican-pitching-prospect-andres-serrano/comment-page-1/#comment-59335</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the bonus limit for picks in round 11 and subsequently is $100000, not $150000.  Any such bonus amounts above $100000 for picks in rounds 11 and later get deducted from your bonus pool for picks in the first 10 rounds.

Last comment is that the Cards can exceed their bonus pool for the first 10 rounds by up to 5% with only a fine of 75% of that overage.  Anything above that causes the same dollar penalty but also the loss of a 1st round pick next year.  I think the Cards should use that extra 5% to potentially sign someone in the first 10 rounds if necessary, although I also thought I read that if you exceed you bonus pool you are not eligible for one of the new &quot;competitive balance draft picks&quot; (six after round 1 and six after round 2), and I think I read that the Cards are currently in line, based on revenues, to potentially get one of those when they start in the 2013 draft, so using the 5% extra might be ultimately counterproductive.

Bottom line is that this will be very confusing until we see how it all plays out, but you can bet all (smart) teams are giving it thought already, and a team like the Cards with alot of extra picks have more variable to take into account so as to maximize those picks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bonus limit for picks in round 11 and subsequently is $100000, not $150000.  Any such bonus amounts above $100000 for picks in rounds 11 and later get deducted from your bonus pool for picks in the first 10 rounds.</p>
<p>Last comment is that the Cards can exceed their bonus pool for the first 10 rounds by up to 5% with only a fine of 75% of that overage.  Anything above that causes the same dollar penalty but also the loss of a 1st round pick next year.  I think the Cards should use that extra 5% to potentially sign someone in the first 10 rounds if necessary, although I also thought I read that if you exceed you bonus pool you are not eligible for one of the new &#8220;competitive balance draft picks&#8221; (six after round 1 and six after round 2), and I think I read that the Cards are currently in line, based on revenues, to potentially get one of those when they start in the 2013 draft, so using the 5% extra might be ultimately counterproductive.</p>
<p>Bottom line is that this will be very confusing until we see how it all plays out, but you can bet all (smart) teams are giving it thought already, and a team like the Cards with alot of extra picks have more variable to take into account so as to maximize those picks.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Cardinal</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/02/10/cardinals-sign-dominican-pitching-prospect-andres-serrano/comment-page-1/#comment-59334</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, you are correct that, as a result of those 3 extra comp picks and the Angels pick in the first round, they will receive more bonus pool money, but for each pick in the first 10 rounds they signing bonus allocated decreases from the most for the first pick in round 1 to the least for the last pick in round 10.  

I am only suggesting that, if it is necesary to buy a high upside high school player out of his college committment (which is worth alot of money with the cost of college for good out of state schools), you can do that my drafting college seniors who have no leverage and signing them for under slot bonuses and then using that money to potentially draft 5 high upside high school prospects with the 2 first round and and 3 comp round picks and giving them more than slot.  I am suggesting this since apparently the excellent college players are not plentiful in this draft, and having 5 picks so early may never happen again, and you do not want to miss the opportunity to maximize talent picked in the upcoming draft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are correct that, as a result of those 3 extra comp picks and the Angels pick in the first round, they will receive more bonus pool money, but for each pick in the first 10 rounds they signing bonus allocated decreases from the most for the first pick in round 1 to the least for the last pick in round 10.  </p>
<p>I am only suggesting that, if it is necesary to buy a high upside high school player out of his college committment (which is worth alot of money with the cost of college for good out of state schools), you can do that my drafting college seniors who have no leverage and signing them for under slot bonuses and then using that money to potentially draft 5 high upside high school prospects with the 2 first round and and 3 comp round picks and giving them more than slot.  I am suggesting this since apparently the excellent college players are not plentiful in this draft, and having 5 picks so early may never happen again, and you do not want to miss the opportunity to maximize talent picked in the upcoming draft.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Cardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indiana Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I wasn&#039;t clear as to what I was suggesting.  I did not mean they would &quot;save&quot; your suggested 500k to a million dollars (and pocket it).  I am suggesting that whatever they saved by signing picks in the 2nd to 10th rounds by drafting, in some cases, easy college senior signs as an example, could be added to the alloted bonuses for their 2 first round and 3 comp round picks, thus potentially allowing them to pick in the comp round, for example, high school players that might want more money than the alloted bonuses to forego their college committment.  That &quot;saved&quot; 500k to $1million might then make a difference in getting higher upside high school prospects as those 3 compensation round picks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I wasn&#8217;t clear as to what I was suggesting.  I did not mean they would &#8220;save&#8221; your suggested 500k to a million dollars (and pocket it).  I am suggesting that whatever they saved by signing picks in the 2nd to 10th rounds by drafting, in some cases, easy college senior signs as an example, could be added to the alloted bonuses for their 2 first round and 3 comp round picks, thus potentially allowing them to pick in the comp round, for example, high school players that might want more money than the alloted bonuses to forego their college committment.  That &#8220;saved&#8221; 500k to $1million might then make a difference in getting higher upside high school prospects as those 3 compensation round picks.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Cardinal</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/02/10/cardinals-sign-dominican-pitching-prospect-andres-serrano/comment-page-1/#comment-59329</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your feedback.  I agree that it is not clear how all of this will work.  However obviously to a team like the Cards, it will make a difference, if they are unable to resign Molina, as to whether they get 2 picks or only one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your feedback.  I agree that it is not clear how all of this will work.  However obviously to a team like the Cards, it will make a difference, if they are unable to resign Molina, as to whether they get 2 picks or only one.</p>
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		<title>By: cariocacardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cariocacardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also think what you will see is some teams taking more flyers by buying out guys going to college who wouldnt get the big bucks.  Where before they might have offered these types of guys $60K-$100K ( I think we gave Tyler Binghames $60K) they will offer more of these types of guys and for larger amounts - up to the $150K that doesn&#039;t trigger any penalties.  In other words, what they can&#039;t pay for quality, they will try to make up for by paying for quantity and hoping one of these guys strikes it big.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think what you will see is some teams taking more flyers by buying out guys going to college who wouldnt get the big bucks.  Where before they might have offered these types of guys $60K-$100K ( I think we gave Tyler Binghames $60K) they will offer more of these types of guys and for larger amounts &#8211; up to the $150K that doesn&#8217;t trigger any penalties.  In other words, what they can&#8217;t pay for quality, they will try to make up for by paying for quantity and hoping one of these guys strikes it big.</p>
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