An Average Expectation of Matt Carpenter
Posted by azruavatar in Matt Carpenter, tags: Matt Carpenter, St. Louis Cardinals, StatisticsAs of the time of this writing, 271 people voted in yesterday’s poll and 55% of you would utilize Matt Carpenter in a kind of super utility role between the corner outfield, corner infield and second base positions. there’s not a wrong answer to yesterday’s question and I think I personally would be inclined to keep in majors in that role as well.
One of the comments caught my eye, however. Lou Schuler wrote:
I love [Carpenter] as a utility player, but [Zack] Cox looks like a guy who’s going to be an everyday player hitting in the top half of the lineup.
It struck me as an undervaluation of Carpenter (the “utility player” label) but it’s one that I think consistently happens to him because of his somewhat unusual offensive profile. Assume that Matt Carpenter is going to have an OBP between .320 and .340 (ZiPS projects .342). Since wOBA is scaled to OBP, we can use that as a decent approximation for his production. For someone with limited power potential, we would scale that number down slightly from his OBP. That range (.320-340) is still going to make Matt Carpenter a league average-ish player.
But can you think of a player that has that kind of a profile? Someone who walks frequently, low power output and maintains a league average wOBA? Looking at 2011, I found a three players from last year that fit that loose criteria.
| Player Name | wOBA | BB% | ISO | UZR | fWAR | DN fWAR |
| Alberto Callaspo | .330 | 10.8 | .086 | 7.6 | 3.6 | 2.9 |
| Brett Gardner | .330 | 10.2 | .110 | 25.8 | 5.1 | 2.5 |
| Bobby Abreu | .325 | 13.3 | .112 | -5.2 | .4 | .9 |
If you adjust Bobby Abreu from a corner outfield to third base, his defense neutral fangraphs WAR (DN fWAR) would be 1.9. That last column strips out the defensive bonus’s that the player achieved through UZR in an effort to give you an approximation of Matt Carpenter. Alberto Callaspo is a better statistical comparison than I expected to find. The point being that Matt Carpenter would be a better than average player if he received a full season’s playing time and met even some of the pessimistic expectations for his offensive output (namely OBP).
Now the Cardinals utilized Allen Craig in almost exactly this fashion despite his numbers telling the tale of a starting caliber position player. There are benefits to be reaped from it but there’s also a cap on how much you can work Matt Carpenter in the game as a bench player — especially given the redundancy between he and Daniel Descalso (LH, 3rd base, young players).
Whatever the Cardinals decide to do with him, it’s worth noting that even modest 2012 expectations for the player who has minor league career line of .300/.408/.451 would make him better than your typical “utility player”. Those expectations would make him a starter at third base on other teams. Don’t be deceived by the unusual profile. This kid can play at a high level even if it doesn’t “look” like a typical third baseman profile.

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I do agree that he could play in the majors now, but I am against him learning to be a utility player while in the majors. I would rather he start in AAA at a different position every day to get a grasp and then he can be ready for a call up.
Good arguments, AZ. I’m curious to see how things play out this spring. With Craig recovering faster than expected, there doesn’t seem to be an immediate and obvious place for Carp, beyond maybe a week or two on the bench.
OTOH, if anything happens to Freese, it’ll be interesting to see if Matheny opts for Descalso’s defense or Carp’s offense.
Good post.
I think third base is a misunderstood position in baseball. ITs part of the reason why so few are in the Hall of fame.
I never like the idea that third base HAS to be a power position. I have no problem witht the Bill Muellers. I would take him over a .250 hitting/20 home run/high K/low ab guy.
Here is a good comparison. Who would/could be better; Ian Stewart of MAtt Carpenter?
I wonder how many times Billy Beane has called asking about him?
My problem with the super utility player idea is that Carpenter doesn’t have any experience at ss or 2nd base, nor the speed to play CF. Craig will be 2nd in line at 1st base and the corner outfield spots fairly quickly so he is super utility player number one, than and we have Schumaker in the outfield, who can play CF, 2nd and 1st, Greene, who can play all the infield spots and CF, Descalso who can play all the infield spots. Do we really need another utility player? You can’t get on base if you’re not playing.
Hello, Billy, yes this kids ready to go. Let’s put together a list of prospects that we are interested in.
I agree completely and what stands out, and I’m a big Schumaker guy, but he really didn’t need to be resigned with Carpenter & Descalso one year older. Now we’ve given him a two year deal and taken multiple opportunities off the table for guys who don’t have much left to prove at AAA.
That said, I thought we would have definitely traded either Cox or Carpenter this offseason so what do I know
I am not sure I agree with that.
I really don’t see any guys at AAA that are ready. Besides, I don’t like labeling guys as “role player” at an early age.
I’m with you. Skip Schumaker won’t hurt this team. He can only help it. That won’t be true in a few years but it is now. If another player is ready to take Schumaker’s spot, let him prove it in ST. $1.5M/yr would be easy enough to foist on another club.
Athletic Nation offered up a different suggestion aside from M.Carp
“Aaron Miles
by Copenhagen on Feb 27, 2012″
So at least our depth isn’t that atrocious…