Comments on: Which SP Prospect Will Graduate First?

By: zuke3534

zuke3534 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:52:48 +0000

The system needed to be ripped. Until recently, it was terrible for the past decade. It wasn’t until Lunhow was in control the system started making strides.

Remember, there were people clammoring for Shelby to start at the major league level….Last year. The cards are historicly slow moving with their prospects. Its not suprising that the 2 they did rush a bit had maturity melt downs.

By: Seals

Seals — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:19:50 +0000

I disagree with Strauss on two major points:

1. He believes prospects have little to no tangible value to the organization until they produce at the major league level.

2. He believes people like us — the so-called Hyperventilating Prospect Geek Fraternity — are delusional for even discussing the prospects of minor league players.

That being said, I believe Stauss’s greatest offenses are also two-fold:

1. He has little to no knowledge of the Cardinals farm system.

2. He gives little to no credit to the Cardinals farm system for the home-grown players who have actually excelled at the major league level.

I understand his job is to cover the big club, and Derrick Goold is thankfully the yin to his yang. I just don’t like the way he relishes his ignorance.

Then again, I guess that’s what journalism has become everywhere … even in the sports section.

By: JC

JC — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:35:18 +0000

The fact there is a discussion about this seems to be a great thing about prospects that are exciting getting closer and closer to the Bigs! Anyone getting concerned or too excited about an outing or 2 should relax a bit. Seasons are long and a few starts should never be concerning unless a big drop in velocity that might indicate injury. Everyone take a deep breathe…wait 3-4 weeks and then see where are guys are at.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:27:04 +0000

One game doesn’t make a prospect. Rosenthal hung a curveball in the first and had a tight zone and a relative lack of control. He was sitting at a higher rate than any MLB pitcher on our staff.

Miller pitched well but gave up a HR in the 4th and then 3 straight hits with 2 outs in the 5th.

Sure ERA’s look ugly but there are circumstances behind every pitching line.

By: Mike G

Mike G — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:54:06 +0000

It seems to me that Strauss’s skepticism about Cardinal prospects over the years, especially the overhyped and vastly overrated Rasmus, has been mostly well warranted. Not being positive about the system does not mean one doesn’t know it. He has actually been more positive this year, especially about Rosenthal’s arm and Jackson’s glove. Nonetheless, last night’s latest mediocre starts by Miller and Rosenthal, to say nothing of atrocious relief efforts by Reifer and Cleto, suggest that a measure of skepticism is still in order.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 03:49:54 +0000

If Carp is gone all year Mo calls up Oswalt. Mo and the organization wouldn’t risk hurting a prospects confidence who isn’t ready based to fill in for Carp. Miller isn’t ready. He needs to work on his off speed offering and is being hit by AAA hitters pretty good right now. Rosenthal is one level below Shelby. I think he has a better reperotie than Miller does right now but again you dont throw someone like that to the MLB level. Kelly has pitched well this year but don’t want to throw him into the fire. Brandon Dickson would probably be a spot starter if one of the other starters goes down for a limited period this year but if Carp is gone all year we get an established guy. Good organizations don’t throw top prospects into the fire before they are ready. Kelly, Miller and Rosenthal aren’t ready. Unless you want to bring them in to get beat up badly. Best case sceniro is do like we did with Dan Haren, bring up miller in July or August to work in the pen as the long guy. 2 or 3 innings getting his feet wet minimizing chances for failure.

By: Andy Beard

Andy Beard — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:15:18 +0000

Who knows? But I’m guessing it’s a better feel than most of us have since he actually talks with these people. He’s covered the game for some time now. I don’t think we can just discount what he says because we don’t appreciate his cynicism.

By: Andy Beard

Andy Beard — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:12:41 +0000

Agreed. Your last two sentences are pretty much my take away message.

By: solar pons

solar pons — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:46:50 +0000

I do hope that Gast is indeed a #3 starter type, that would be very welcome news to goalong with our other pitching in the minors..

By: T Bird

T Bird — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:30:40 +0000

Spot on. Same thing applies to Adams status as a prospect.