Comments on: Probable Starters – 5/4/12

By: CRay

CRay — Sat, 05 May 2012 14:50:26 +0000

We should take into account that we will need a number of starting pitchers in the next few years. Westy’s and Lohse’s contracts are up this year, and Carp’s is up after next year (and he will almost certainly retire). Jenkins is probably a number of years away, and the Cards won’t re-sign both Westy and Lohse. So, we will need at least 2 new starters in two years (Lynn could be one), and perhaps 3. So, if not next year, Kelly has to remain a real possibility, along with Rosenthal.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Sat, 05 May 2012 13:25:44 +0000

I agree with that. I also tend to think #3 starters are overpaid a bit.

I think the difference now is that the cards can develop their own #3 starters. Lynn looks like he can handle the roll.

By: Hugecardsfan

Hugecardsfan — Sat, 05 May 2012 04:14:37 +0000

Springfield’s bullpen is dyno-mite. They blow up nightly.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Sat, 05 May 2012 03:53:16 +0000

I thought the new rule was that we have to offer someone at least 12 mil in order to get the comp pick.

By: Hugecardsfan

Hugecardsfan — Sat, 05 May 2012 03:51:14 +0000

Just a guess but the decision to approach Lohse or Westbrook likely hinges on Carpenter’s situation. If Carp looks good for next year, my guess would be neither Lohse nor Westbrook will be sought. If Carp is questionable, we’d have to see how the farm prospects look in Aug/Sep to determine which pitcher (Lohse or Westbrook) best meets the Cards projected needs. If they need a multiple year pitcher Lohse makes the most sense. If, one year, well, the contract deal is already in place to extend Westbrook.

By: Hugecardsfan

Hugecardsfan — Sat, 05 May 2012 03:45:05 +0000

Why are we giving Lilliquist credit? Westbrook and Lohse showed up at ST ready to pitch. I don’t know when Lilliquist’s fingerprints were placed on this rotation, but I doubt it was before this winter.

By: Hugecardsfan

Hugecardsfan — Sat, 05 May 2012 03:40:55 +0000

I could be wrong, but it would seem, assuming either the Cards or Westbrook decline the option, we could still offer arbitration and were he to decline, we’d be due the comp pick. Of course, it begs the question, why we would decline the option and then offer arb. (answer: to get the comp pick rather than the veteran pitcher)

By: pitch and hit

pitch and hit — Sat, 05 May 2012 02:21:13 +0000

The guys on the 40 man roster will go up first this year if needed or when rosters expand in sept. Teams in general do not place players on the 40 until they have to protect them (end of this year for the ones you are talking about), then, they will not see a call up until the following september (2013). I am not sure if Miller is even eligible this year for protection?

Zach, how do you know what the cardinals may have said to Kelly to motivate him? There’s a lot of speculation here as to what the cardinals say or do to motivate their players and it’s not by threatening them.

I wonder what is really going on with Carpenter, very hush, hush. There is no way they will replace Lynn with him. It may be that they move Westbrook to the pen eventually but he really has been having a fairly good season and better compared to last. Actually they all have.
Good job by Lilli.

By: DT Flush

DT Flush — Sat, 05 May 2012 01:14:51 +0000

Cox drops down to 9th in the order since his slump. In his first AB he Doubled. Adams hit a Sac Fly. Kelly struggling with command 3 Walks in 3.0 IP giving up 2 ER. Rosenthal pitching OK 3.0 IP 2 ER 1 BB 4k. Both Wong and Taveras walked. So far after 3 Innings. Anthony Garcia went 2-3 for Quad Cities. Juan Castillo homered. Rahmatulla went 1-4 with an RBI Single. Hald had a Quality Start going 6.0 innings giving up 1 ER 0 BB 6 K. Quad Cities was beat 3-2. Ferrara was wild in 5 Innings walking 5 and K 2. Palm Beach is getting shutout so far.

By: DT Flush

DT Flush — Sat, 05 May 2012 01:01:18 +0000

Yes their is a chance. He could potentially compete with Shelby for that Spot. Kelly is a more polished pitcher than Shelby but stuff wise Shelby wins that spot. Shelby still needs to polish up more before he pitches in the Big Leagues but I think he will eventually figure it out.

Potential 2012 Rotation

1.Wainwright
2.Carpenter
3.Garcia
4.Lynn with his emergence as Starter this season I wouldn’t doubt seeing him in the Rotation next year.
5.Miller/Kelly/Rosenthal/Gast competition in Spring Training.