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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/05/24/daily-farm-report-52312/comment-page-1/#comment-67234</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have a Gentlemen&#039;s Wager then, Cj. ;)

Let&#039;s meet back here at the future Future Redbirds, in say, eight years? Wear a fedora so I&#039;ll know you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a Gentlemen&#8217;s Wager then, Cj. ;)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s meet back here at the future Future Redbirds, in say, eight years? Wear a fedora so I&#8217;ll know you.</p>
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		<title>By: Cj</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/05/24/daily-farm-report-52312/comment-page-1/#comment-67214</link>
		<dc:creator>Cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 16:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would take bundy over Tavares for 30 war in their career]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would take bundy over Tavares for 30 war in their career</p>
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		<title>By: Vision</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/05/24/daily-farm-report-52312/comment-page-1/#comment-67192</link>
		<dc:creator>Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 13:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sometimes am mystified how frequent followers of a prospect site fail to understand that &#039;stuff&#039; or &#039;tools&#039; are more important than any minor league numbers to a prospect.

Bundy is the #1 prospect in baseball because he has the &#039;stuff&#039; or &#039;talent&#039; to be among the best pitchers in baseball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes am mystified how frequent followers of a prospect site fail to understand that &#8216;stuff&#8217; or &#8216;tools&#8217; are more important than any minor league numbers to a prospect.</p>
<p>Bundy is the #1 prospect in baseball because he has the &#8216;stuff&#8217; or &#8216;talent&#8217; to be among the best pitchers in baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: RCHIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCHIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 12:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good write-up here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good write-up here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/05/24/daily-farm-report-52312/comment-page-1/#comment-67171</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 22:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correct. Basically, that&#039;s correct.

I think a very good argument could be made that NO pitcher should ever be the overall #1 ranked prospect in the game; I believe that Joe &quot;TINSTAAPP&quot; Sheehan has actually argued that no pitcher should ever even be in the top 4 or 5...and I&#039;m not sure I disagree.

As for who&#039;s likely to be durable in the future, I&#039;ll take the guys who&#039;ve *already* established *some* record of durability over the guys with zero track record every time.

To throw up your hands and say, &quot;pitchers get hurt, they&#039;re all risky, so I&#039;m going to effectively ignore whether or not a guy has ever made 24-26 starts, or thrown 130-150 innings -- much less whether he&#039;s done it, then come back healthy the next year and done it again&quot; feels like a cop-out to me. You *have* to factor in history, or lack thereof.

Case in point: Carlos Martinez, who Law has dropped from his top 25 due to this year&#039;s shoulder trouble, is the same Carlos Martinez who had no record of durability when Law ranked him #4 overall in his 2011 mid-season ratings, coming off Carlos&#039; Futures Game showing. I said then that such a high ranking was likely a radical misstep, that talent alone ain&#039;t enough to place a pitcher so high. 

The pre-2012 Matt Moore, on the other hand, would be a guy who could *reasonably* be considered for a top 4 or 5 overall slot, because (unlike Martinez 11 months ago, or Bundy right now) Moore had established that his arm could take the grind of starting, week after week, month after month, over consecutive seasons.

Who should be above Bundy? Taveras and Profar for sure. Probably Lindor, Machado, and Wil Myers, too. I&#039;d have to give it more thought, but those names spring immediately to mind.

Or put it this way: I&#039;ll bet even money Taveras exceeds 30 WAR in his career. Would you do the same with Bundy? Because if you will, I&#039;ll take that bet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct. Basically, that&#8217;s correct.</p>
<p>I think a very good argument could be made that NO pitcher should ever be the overall #1 ranked prospect in the game; I believe that Joe &#8220;TINSTAAPP&#8221; Sheehan has actually argued that no pitcher should ever even be in the top 4 or 5&#8230;and I&#8217;m not sure I disagree.</p>
<p>As for who&#8217;s likely to be durable in the future, I&#8217;ll take the guys who&#8217;ve *already* established *some* record of durability over the guys with zero track record every time.</p>
<p>To throw up your hands and say, &#8220;pitchers get hurt, they&#8217;re all risky, so I&#8217;m going to effectively ignore whether or not a guy has ever made 24-26 starts, or thrown 130-150 innings &#8212; much less whether he&#8217;s done it, then come back healthy the next year and done it again&#8221; feels like a cop-out to me. You *have* to factor in history, or lack thereof.</p>
<p>Case in point: Carlos Martinez, who Law has dropped from his top 25 due to this year&#8217;s shoulder trouble, is the same Carlos Martinez who had no record of durability when Law ranked him #4 overall in his 2011 mid-season ratings, coming off Carlos&#8217; Futures Game showing. I said then that such a high ranking was likely a radical misstep, that talent alone ain&#8217;t enough to place a pitcher so high. </p>
<p>The pre-2012 Matt Moore, on the other hand, would be a guy who could *reasonably* be considered for a top 4 or 5 overall slot, because (unlike Martinez 11 months ago, or Bundy right now) Moore had established that his arm could take the grind of starting, week after week, month after month, over consecutive seasons.</p>
<p>Who should be above Bundy? Taveras and Profar for sure. Probably Lindor, Machado, and Wil Myers, too. I&#8217;d have to give it more thought, but those names spring immediately to mind.</p>
<p>Or put it this way: I&#8217;ll bet even money Taveras exceeds 30 WAR in his career. Would you do the same with Bundy? Because if you will, I&#8217;ll take that bet.</p>
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		<title>By: VolsnCards5</title>
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		<dc:creator>VolsnCards5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 22:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no doubt miller could sit 92-94, but if that 2 mph causes him to sacrifice movement and command, it&#039;s not worth it

I&#039;m more concerned with reports regarding Miller&#039;s
Curveball, which apparently has not been as good as I expected]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt miller could sit 92-94, but if that 2 mph causes him to sacrifice movement and command, it&#8217;s not worth it</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more concerned with reports regarding Miller&#8217;s<br />
Curveball, which apparently has not been as good as I expected</p>
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		<title>By: zuke354</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuke354</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob, that disqualifies pretty much every pitcher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, that disqualifies pretty much every pitcher.</p>
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		<title>By: zuke354</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuke354</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 21:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave Duncan heading to the hall of fame and A.Reyes bouncing in Aball. Sometimes is just best to shut up and do what your told.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Duncan heading to the hall of fame and A.Reyes bouncing in Aball. Sometimes is just best to shut up and do what your told.</p>
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		<title>By: pitch and hit</title>
		<link>http://www.futureredbirds.net/2012/05/24/daily-farm-report-52312/comment-page-1/#comment-67164</link>
		<dc:creator>pitch and hit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 21:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure if it is figuring out something or he just was placed in the wrong spot to begin with when he arrived.

His command (or lack of pinpoint with his velo) is perfect for the pen.

Developing relievers, in my opinion, is not what the cardinals do best but perhaps they are getting better at it, realizing that not every pitcher is suited as a starter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if it is figuring out something or he just was placed in the wrong spot to begin with when he arrived.</p>
<p>His command (or lack of pinpoint with his velo) is perfect for the pen.</p>
<p>Developing relievers, in my opinion, is not what the cardinals do best but perhaps they are getting better at it, realizing that not every pitcher is suited as a starter.</p>
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		<title>By: BigRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 21:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forgot to include that in the chat, he said Jenkins would have been in his top 50 if he had made his list that long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to include that in the chat, he said Jenkins would have been in his top 50 if he had made his list that long.</p>
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