Memphis vs. Round Rock, 7:05pm – John Gast
Springfield: No Scheduled Games
Palm Beach vs. St. Lucie, 6:35pm – Drew Benes
Quad Cities @ Cedar Rapids, 6:35pm – Kyle Hald
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Hope Gast can keep his string of strong outings going. Would love to see him up with the big league team later this season.
Apparently CMart has been promoted to Springfield. He will definitely be tested a little more. Can’t wait to see how he does the first few starts.
Where did you hear this?
https://twitter.com/CardinalsGM/status/207541517986967554
This move is because they can’t keep some players in PB, there are too may distractions and they don’t baby sit.
Derrick Goold reported it on the St. Louis today.com
The Martinez promotion, that is. They want him to get acclimated to Springfield life before throwing him in a game. Will throw a side session soon.
see above, there’s no life in springfield to get acclimated to. Pretty much your standard run of the mill mid west town.
Where they rehab most players IS in Palm Beach.
You all can believe what you want, I can’t believe the stuff they come up with lately.
Sounds like you’re implying Martinez goes out and enjoys the nightlife pretty frequently. Care to elaborate? Thanks.
Not implying, just wish they would give the real reasons.
I don’t get “get acclimated” to life in the Texas League (off the field) comment. There’s no difference between that and being in QC, is there? Have you ever heard of a player being promoted while on the DL? Not me, maybe I missed something. Does it have to do with extended ending?
I am not in favor of aggressive promotion of pitchers, leads to injuries. They have reasons why they want to move their top prospects out of high A so fast. Yes I know he was there last year, but why not have just kept him in QC a bit longer?
Have you ever been to Palm Beach? Have you ever been to Palm Beach at 21-22.
He could have gotten in his rehab innings in PB. But as I saw stated elsewhere, our farm has truly become a playground for the whims of the home team and the top prospects.
Just be up front about it, the reasons don’t add up.
there’s all sorts of reasons why they might do this. no need to go conspiracy theory on us.
for instance, they may have a promotion of someone from springfield to memphis already planned for the next few days, or the promotion of someone from QC to PB.
i think, for instance, broderick has probably worn out his welcome in memphis. promoting gorgen or someone else from springfield would make sense. moving martinez up might just be a recognition that he’s the most appropriate person to take that spot.
or maybe the MLB club wants to have gast as a reliever starting next week, and memphis will need a starter to replace him.
i do agree that promoting someone on the DL is a little unorthodox, but i suspect the reason for it is far more prosaic than your speculation.
Well I haven’t been to Palm Beach at 21-22. However, having just graduated from college and being part of a college baseball team, I have been on spring break trips to South Padre Island and Daytona Beach. So I do know what it’s like to be in places like that when there is even more pressure to go out and party as a young adult.
So when I was in those cities, I was there ages 18-22 and did so during the biggest party weeks of the year. I can’t imagine every day of the Palm Beach nightlife is the same as spring break nightlife, but I see what you’re getting at.
I guess it’s possible they wanted to get him away from those type of influences. And maybe that did actually play a part in their decision making process. However, if they didn’t think he was ready to move up, I think they would have wanted to keep him in Palm Beach to work with Dennis Martinez (isn’t that where he is coaching?).
Will you stop wtih this crap. Just tell us who you know that feels wronged by the organizations preferental treatment of top prospects? Martinez struggled last year in Palm Beach. He adjusted this year and has been very good. No more challenge in Palm Beach time to move him up to Springfield. Maybe Rosenthal or Gorgen are going to Memphis?
There’s no implication in these official statements that indicate Martinez has a partying problem. I think what it does reveal, however, is that it’s tough to be a minor league player with all of the travelling and relocation. Throw into the mix that this kid is from the DR and there’s a REAL adjustment beween life in Palm Beach and life in the bible belt. This is not the first time the culture shock issue has come up. Check out this article from 2011, which discusses the delicacy with which the Cardinal’s organization handled the cultural adjustment issues: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/martinez-has-big-league-stuff-electric-arm/article_52cf6879-f1c8-575e-bf3b-787c962c0ac8.html
To wit:
“The Cardinals delayed his assignment to an affiliate to give Martinez more time to get comfortable in the States. Martinez and teammate Jonathan Rodriguez, a Puerto Rico native, live together in an apartment, where they have relocated their inflatable mattresses into the living room — the only place with an air conditioner. Rodriguez serves as Martinez’s translator and guide, taking him to open a new bank account the same morning he helps him through an interview.
Quad Cities manager Johnny Rodriguez said Martinez’s development at this level will be a balance between on-field learning and off-field acclimation. Martinez is fluent in the 60 feet, 6 inches between the mound and home plate. Ordering his favorite chicken sandwich at McDonald’s? Martinez is practicing.
“This is where I become the papa,” manager Rodriguez said. “I become to him like a father, a pastor, a mom and a brother, and then his manager. … We have to be careful we don’t rush it. Baby steps. Very baby steps.”
Martinez grew up on the northern coast of the Dominican, about a three-hour drive from Santo Domingo. He said he was raised by a grandma, who he calls “mami,” and an uncle. He said he never knew his father, and his mother died before his first birthday.
The past few years have made her absence clearer, Martinez said.”
Good piece above, but the absence of Luhnow makes it all more understandable. The ultimate job of the farm director is to make sure that the system is well plenished , doesn’t look like that has been going too well.
I have been to the cities mentioned, the midwest flourishes with a spanish population, especially in the TL. CM is approaching 21, it makes lots of sense to get him out of PB and into more stable nuturing environment of Springfield.
Andrew you are getting, “chippy”. I know it really bothers you when someone other than yourself might have more to add to prospects than you are able to just watching on milbtv.
A few years ago while watching a game in PB, two guys were a mess, error after error. The guys behind me (stadium attendants) were talking. They were saying that “abc” and “xyz” player may have been doing a better job if they hadn’t showed up hung over at 3pm. That pretty much is my explanation of what PB is like. While you all are panting over the young prospects and their performance, this is a very difficult life for them, even the ones who grew up here, alcohol use is not uncommon. Keep in ,ind that this is the place where TLR got his DUI. I am NOT sluding to the fact that Martinez falls within this category, I am speaking in genrealizations, it’s a tough place to be, much tougher than springfiled, that is for sure.
Andrew, next time you get to spring training get downtown, maybe City Place. Get out of the cozy confides of Abacoa and see the real PB. By the way, it is VERY expensive to live in PB, with the salary made, unless a bonus baby, that is usually 4, 5 guys to an apartment, someone recently told me that cost alone is perhaps why they move some of the players up faster than others. There is also absolutely no attendance compared to what you think you may have seen in spring training, not in Jupiter/PB anyway (Marlins games better attended). BORRRRING to many of teh players who are used to the huge crowds in the midwest
Do you all believe everything that you read? I don’t. I also know that the Cardinals do a very good job of letting YOU all know what they want you to know, so I would say to you, it is what it is, about 75% of what you read is what they want you to know.
Great example, Miller’s situation in Springfield.
Your making no sense, in other threads your praising Luhnow but you seem to be blaming him now for the fact that the system isn’t replenished. It woul dbe his fault he’s been the person in charge of the system for years until about 6 months ago. Every player in the system now is a result of Luhnow. So is he the savior or hte goat to you pitch in hit.
Regarding the hung over thing. That is surely possible but that is an indication of the individual not the whole city. Unless the whole Florida State League is hung over? I do know that the FSL does have some real weird 10am games where people seem to do badly. Struggling then isn’t necessarly about being hung over but it’s a hard adjustment playign a 7pm game the night before and then being up at 6 or 7am to get ready for a 10 am game. Pitch once again I don’t think people are understanding your angle on this beccause your all over the place. Just come out and say who you are. You sound like a certain ex cardinals father who didn’t like the lack of structure his son was given in the minors but I don’t think it’s you RCW.
So pitch is Luhnow going to be really missed and the reason teams are losing is because he’s gone or is the farm unstocked because he didn’t draft the right players?
I know what I know, and you can take it for fodder or you can think about it for awhile.
Yes, these are Jeff’s guys, but it’s Vuch who holds the cards (haha). He decides who goes where and when.
Andrew, why can’t someone just be a fan of the farm who has watched most of these guys grow up, and be entitled to their opinion?
There is no lack of structure in the cardinals system, I never said that. The truth of the matter is that they do not have their young prospects spend too much time or none in PB for a reason. The pirates have dorms with locks, so do other facilities in FL. No other league that I am aware of. Who was the dplayer who years ago got in a brawl in a bar and then left and when he returned spring training he had a warrant out for assault? Who were the players who had serious drug issues that began in PB? Why not just come out and say that they would be better off in springfield as they were in QC?
Rosie went to college, but I do believe they skipped him for a reason. Ask any player what league they disliked teh most, the reason would be FSL for lack of fan support (not the beach or the bars).
I have stated that I am not in favor of aggressive promotions. Just take a stroll back and see what happened to some of the pitchers, it’s not for everyone, Castillo a perfect example.
BTW, for those that have no clue, Brian Broderick had a history of a rare form of arthritis that has been treated with medication. I am not sure that they ever thought he would make it but he seem to have done well until recently.
I am telling you all this so that the negativity he has gotten recently here could be understood, the same as it was with Gary Daley’s condition.
Yes, there are lots of reasons why pitchers have sub par performances, they just don’t use anything for excuses other than it is what it is, there are good days, fair days and bad days, that’s how it goes. They don’t come here explaining what happened and why, etc. etd. No one expects any pitcher to be on target 100% every outing. You seem to think that I don’t get that. I do. I still stand by my opinion that he was used too much too often early in a very long season. Didn’t he have shoulder issues at one time?
I realize that for right now he has the 4th best ERA in the TL, so did a lot of other pitchers that have come through the system. PJ Walters? The TL is tough, I admit, travel, heat, heat, trqavel, but it is also the same teams over and over and over. Any top prospect should dominate.
The 10 am games are on school days, the only time the stadium is full in season.
I’m not sure Cmart is being promoted for any reason other than it was time. Pitch could be right or wrong. I’m a bit confused at the assertion that a “premature” promotion can cause a pitcher to get “hurt”. Maybe Pitch really meant “hit”, but then he speaks of “injuries” which probably does mean he meant “hurt”. As far as I know a pitcher pitches wherever he is, so I’m not sure where the injuries are supposed to come in.
Pitch is the same guy who still seems bent out of shape that the pitcher ranked 4th in ERA among starters in the Texas League skipped PB. Maybe we now know the real reason – the Cards wanted to keep Rosie out of the nightclubs!