Comments on: Reconsidering The Cardinals Draft

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:41:13 +0000

Think of it from Ramsey’s perspective. Sure, he could try to tell the Cards “take it or leave it”, but what’s his “leave it” option? No money and going to the independent leagues. Plus he’d have a reputation of reneging on a verbal promise. He’s going to be 23. He needs to start his career now. His “leave it” option isn’t very credible.

By: Hugecardsfan

Hugecardsfan — Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:12:38 +0000

I think what is important here is that the Cardinals had a plan and implemented it very well. I don’t see the point of arguing that there was a different way to get the same results. How would we know that and why would we care?

The Cardinals clearly sought to achieve these results and contol risk in the process. It would seem those were worthy and achievable goals as implemented.

By: Gruntosaurus

Gruntosaurus — Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:33:59 +0000

Of course, very few teams will be in the Cardinals situation, whether they follow the Cardinals "plan" or not. The situation with so many high-but-not-top choices, with guys out there who may require over slot, was bordering on unique, and is unlikely to be repeated next year. The one team like them this time around was Toronto; how do they compare to the Cardinals in both approach and outcome? Does anyone here follow the Toronto boards?

By: Andrew

Andrew — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:42:14 +0000

I think once Russell went off the board they decided to draft Mejias who can be a MLB player is close but won’t be a start. I think they got the guy they wanted in Bean and also could have a steal if they can sign Ian Rice from the 4th. Mo seems to have the strategy of drafting in bulk hoping something works out. We did draft like 6 SS’s. Plus we have some interesting guys in the system currently. The 3rd base prospects we got are better quality prospects thatn the SS’s that were available. Not sure what other organizational weakness you are wanting us to fill?

By: wileyvet

wileyvet — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:33:59 +0000

This certainly does shine a better light on the draft procedure, but a draft based on signability and not talent level is inherently flawed. That’s the price baseball has to pay to try and rob Scott Boras of his blackmailing powers. Such a complicated system just to defeat one freaking player agent and a handful of exceptionally greedy players every year (Cox). Does anyone know if the new rules prohibit teams from adding a new signee to the 40-man roster?

I’m still not sold on our acquired talent, but then they all have a chance to prove me wrong so the ball is in their court. My issue is more with ignoring weaknesses in the system such as shortstop and catcher. I don’t think these were properly addressed. Instead we draft to a position of strength (3B) where we have Freese, Carpenter, Cox and Curtis at the highest levels.

Foody brings images of Mark McCormick and Josh Wilson, both injury issues that never went away. James Ramsey is another Jon Jay, which we have already and besides Charlie Tilson is suppose to be our CF of the future followed closely by CJ McIlroy.

I know I’m in the minority as most of you seem quite positive about our talent acquisition and I’m not saying they’re bad players, again only time will tell, but my feeling is we ignored our biggest needs.

By: chuckb

chuckb — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:54:53 +0000

If he wants to sign, he’ll sign.

By: pitch and hit

pitch and hit — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:52:40 +0000

You are right still playing, I have heard that he already let teams know what he wanted and I am sure the cardinals let him know what they were giving. :)

By: Jeff

Jeff — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:46:20 +0000

And Ramsey can’t technically sign until the college season is over. I’m sure they have a verbal agreement that’s as good as gold.

By: Alex

Alex — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:41:19 +0000

I completely agree.

Everyone is analyzing the draft according to BA rankings. How do we know those rankings are any good to begin with? Or any better than Cardinals scouts? This is my big problem with all the opinions of the draft.

By: solar pons

solar pons — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:37:48 +0000

Very good info Jeff, and thanks to all posters for their points..