Comments on: Tyler Lyons – Still Under the Radar Lefty

By: Richard

Richard — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 03:17:34 +0000

Some of them turn out to have value. Not all pitchers are exactly the same, and those better versed in pitching may understand it better, but just slightly better command or a slightly better off-speed pitch or slightly more late movement on a fastball or slightly better stamina or a slightly better game plan on attacking hitters may make all the difference in the world for a pitcher.

By: pitch and hit

pitch and hit — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:43:04 +0000

I also believe that he’s being pushed for trade bait along with the few that are not experiencing injury issues.
What I am wondering, do teams want more of the same type of pitcher that’s found in every league?

By: pitch and hit

pitch and hit — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:37:16 +0000

I left out Lynn because he struggled his first year in AAA. Second year much improved. He also is a much better pitcher, physically and mentally than most below him.
I do agree with your view. Most pitchers who do well in the low minors don’t actually end up at the major league level.

By: Richard

Richard — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:51:30 +0000

????
Don’t know how “exposing them earlier than need be” is a bad thing, unless you think moving them up quickly somehow retards their development (or you think they’re worth something in the low minors as tradebait).

If you do think there is development retardation, I’d have to ask you to consider the possibility that even if the Cards had left, say, Jess Todd down in High-A until he was 25 he still wouldn’t have turned out differently.
TINSTAAPP is my view. Most pitchers who do well in the low minors don’t actually end up contributing much, if anything, at the major league level.

As for Lyons, he’s 24. It was time to move him up to a more age-appropriate level to see what he could do.

BTW, Lance Lynn was in AAA for a cup at age 22 and there full-time his age 23 season.

By: pitch and hit

pitch and hit — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:32:21 +0000

Lyons was sent to the AZFL because the cardinals had no one else to send because higher prospects needed to be shut down.
Most of the time in that league players pick up tips from other players, keep in mind that Lyons played with LHP Hultzen last fall.
Someone may argue the point but I think in general they rush many of the pitchers, thus exposing them earlier than need be. I am not convinced any pitcher is the real deal until he can get through the next season repeated and gotten better. I have only seen that from Lance Lynn. If they had started him earlier than they did he may not have been as affective as he is now.
What I am talking about , example would be Jess Todd. And then there is Shelby Miller.
MLB players second time around (maybe even the first) would eat up these lefties.

By: Richard

Richard — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:10:58 +0000

As many of you can remember, Wainwright gave up 7 HRs in his first 26.2 innings this year, for a HR/9 of 2.36 (while, for the most part, avoiding solid contact).

In short, his numbers should come with a small sample size warning, especially for a number like HR/9 that is so luck dependent.

By: Richard

Richard — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:03:44 +0000

27.2 innings in AAA. I wouldn’t read too much in to his HR rate given what it’s been at other levels.

We’ll know better at the end of the year what he can do.

By: DT Flush

DT Flush — Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:29:10 +0000

Lyons K Rate and Walk Rate are pretty impressive. But that HR/9 is horrid.

By: Gruntosaurus

Gruntosaurus — Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:06:41 +0000

That HR/9 in Memphis is just ugly as a boil, and as you say, that’s without going to the real PCL launching pads. I would have a rather difficult time reconciling that with the statement that he “has been able to avoid the solid contact this year”. What’s going on there?