Comments on: Shelby Miller Is Available

By: Andrew

Andrew — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:22:23 +0000

I think I read that the Brewers are willing and going to offer Grienke 5 years 100 mil. If they are willing to offer him that it’s pretty much a given he’s off the market.

By: Gruntosaurus

Gruntosaurus — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:58:35 +0000

Right. It is something that will receive due diligence before any deal is finalized, as would diabetes, asthma, vision weirdness, etc., none of which would stop a deal (and all of which players have had successful major-league careers while suffering from), but any of which the receiving team would want a plan for addressing. Presumably Mo knows this.

In hindsight the Greene situation is puzzling. I can’t help but feel that the Cardinals got snookered on that deal one way or another, through lack of candor or honesty as to just how bad Greene’s problems were and how difficult they were to treat. At the minimum, it is clear that Greinke’s issues can be dealt with successfully. This “existence proof” casts a possible Greinke trade in an entirely different light, although due diligence will still have to be done.

By: tom s.

tom s. — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:51:56 +0000

this keeps coming up. greinke has had his depression under control for five or six years. khalil greene was suffering from uncontrolled anxiety and coming off an awful year. greinke has been one of the best pitchers in the majors. greene put up a 62 wRC+ in 2008 with the padres, and a 62 wRC+ in 2009 with the cardinals. he was a gamble that didn’t pay off.

the two players couldn’t be more different. if all the cardinals see are two guys with mental illnesses, then shame on them.

By: Joe

Joe — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:25:36 +0000

I’ve watch 2/3 of his starts on MiLBtv this season, so I’m watching the same thing this organization is watching– where’s the 2000% difference?

The quality of his secondary offerings isn’t the problem– it’s setting the opponent up for them– that is… and that works better with fastball command. When he has FB command— he flat-out dominates.

The only negative factor currently about, Shelby Miller- is his FB command– everything else about him– is complete speculation, period.

By: Richard

Richard — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:15:44 +0000

Different person. Fear of his anxiety issues will likely drive down what he can get in an FA deal as well. Personally, I think that with Greinke, it’s under control enough to be worth it.

By: Richard

Richard — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:13:31 +0000

It is indeed about the MLB team, and the combination of Miller + Jenkins + Cox will likely add at least 10 cost-controlled WAR (note that top 10/20 prospects almost alwats contribute at least something at the MLB level) and possibly as much as 30 cost-controlled WAR to the MLB team.

How is getting a #2 pitcher who costs a lot more like Shields worth all that cheap WAR?

If you could trade for Mulder with Haren, Calero, and Barton again, would you do it?

By: cj

cj — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:33:11 +0000

we don’t have a lot of pitching prospects to offer ? Do you not pay attention to the farm system? Rosenthal, Miller, Jenkins, Martinez, kelly, Lyons, Gast. Thats just naming the starters we have some good relief prospects too

By: cariocacardinal

cariocacardinal — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:59:33 +0000

I don’t think his ceiling is lower as much as I’d say his floor has gotten lower.

By: cj

cj — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:33:55 +0000

How is that gutting the pitching part of the farm? Plus that is what the Farm is for anyway can’t get too hung up on prospects because it’s about the MLB team and if they could add a pitcher like Shields that would be gravy. Miller, jenkins, cox may be just a Tad too much, I would replace Jenkins with another pitcher not named martinez, rosie, and it sounds good.

By: cj

cj — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:28:16 +0000

I think miller’s Celing is a little lower than everyone thought, I’m not giving up on him or jumping ship but I just don’t see him turning into a #1 starter Dominate ace type. Jenkins and Martinez celing is higher IMO, He still could be a very good pitcher #2 type is more likely i would say though.