Comments on: Comparing Trade Hauls – Part II

By: Hugecardsfan

Hugecardsfan — Sat, 28 Jul 2012 06:37:51 +0000

Brian Flynn…is a Siegrist comp? Give me a break. That’s ludicrous.

By: wileyvet

wileyvet — Sat, 28 Jul 2012 05:58:58 +0000

I wouldn’t trade any of the young bucks right now, but just dream with me for a minute. Whose your 2014 rotation: Garcia, Wainwright, Lynn, Kelly, Rosenthal, Miller and Martinez. Not many seven man rotations around and with Gast, Maness, Swagerty, Jenkins, Gorgen, Lyons, Wacha and Siegrist all waiting in the wings. It’s from this second group Mozeliak should deal from.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:21:00 +0000

Something to keep in mind is that improvement is never a straight line track. It will have its ups and downs. Shelby has been straight up until this year. This is the first time he has ever had to handle adversity. I think the cards are trying to let him get through it. Remember carp and wino both had major bumps when they were in the minors or early in their pro career. Lohse was no where close to being the pitcher he is today after his first four or five years in the pros. Different people develope differently. If he was doing this in A ball for the 2nd or 3rd year,then the panic level could be a lot higher. If Martinez or tavares struggle for four months in triple a, are they suddly not as good as they are now?

By: Gruntosaurus

Gruntosaurus — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:13:06 +0000

I certainly wouldn’t make the Rosendeal. Dempster isn’t that good, and the more I see of Rosenthal, the more impressed I am — and I was plenty impressed before he reached the majors.

As for the other one, my initial reaction was no. However, two comments seem appropriate. First, if there was also something brewing (Tyler Greene!) that might turn the team’s excess 2B assets (Tyler Greene!) into something useful in the bullpen or elsewhere (Tyler Greene!), I’d a lot rather have Omar Infante playing second than, well, guess who. Second, I note that Shelby had another lousy start last night, reducing the likelihood that he has turned a corner at Memphis and bringing back into question exactly WTF is going on with him. I can imagine answers to that question, known to the team but unknown to us, that would make such a trade attractive. Based on what we know, still no, but we don’t know everything going on with that guy.

By: illinoiscardinalfan

illinoiscardinalfan — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:12:00 +0000

Of course the key to all of these trades is knowing your own system and your own players better than the other teams do. If you trade a Delgado or a Turner you want to be pretty sure you are not trading away somebody that you think is going to be a future ace and you hope to trade that player away before other teams realize the same thing. The Cardinals have to make a similar determination with Miller. If they still think he is going to be a future ace than you do not trade him.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:31:12 +0000

I thought about comping Carlos Martinez there too, but the fact that Delgado has already been to the majors made Rosenthal a better fit for me.

By: Ted

Ted — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:04:09 +0000

I have to say that I agree. I would not make that trade msyelf. I do understand Detroit’s reasoning though…good, not great starter, good second-baseman. They needed both, especially Infante as their second basemen have been very poor. The owner wants to push for a championship, and if you can throw verlander multiple times in a series, you always have a chance to win. Plus, I think Shelby is a better prospect than Turner because he hasn’t had the injury concerns that Jacob Turner had in his shoulder. Tenditis could be nothing, but anytime the injury is in the shoulder it is at least concerning.

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:43:31 +0000

when i first read rob brantly’s skillset i immediately thought of bryan anderson circa 3 yrs ago. And Randall Delgado’s a young 5 star in AAA – we’d be talking shelby miller or carlos martinez territory.

By: jimmyjoe

jimmyjoe — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:58:10 +0000

Detroit got fleeced.

By: solar pons

solar pons — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:18:44 +0000

+1 on Rosie