Comments on: Cards Trade Zack Cox For Edward Mujica

By: Richard

Richard — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:21:39 +0000

I was using Edwin Jackson as an example, but anyway, we’ll see. I doubt switching agents will increase his rate significantly. I think he’ll get $10M-12M/year (likely for multiple years, up to 4, but likely for 2-3). That’s my prediction.

By: Forsch31

Forsch31 — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:38:52 +0000

No, I’m saying that Jackson isn’t going to do what happened last year, which is why he switched agents. Before this season, Jackson has been a 3-4 WAR pitcher for three straight seasons. He wants to be paid based on his performance over a number of seasons, not a single season. I seriously doubt that he’ll accept a $10-$12 million offer unless most GMs think he’s regressing.

And if he’s regressing, I don’t want him.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:28:13 +0000

Agree. The ML contract is also not always in the best interest of the player.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:25:16 +0000

one is 31, one is 28. One has a whip of 1.15, one has a whip of 1.4.

All other peripherals are lower.

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:49:24 +0000

There won’t be pitchers who need to find a place to play this year?

2 WAR pitchers who cost $10-12M just aren’t that hard to find.

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:47:39 +0000

BTW, those years were arbitrary; I just picked the 5 years starting from 2000 because it’s a round number.

You can do your own research here: http://thebaseballcube.com/prospects/byYear.asp?Y=2004

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:45:56 +0000

It’s an “arbitrary and meaningless basis” only if you believe that you can’t predict potential from how front offices value prospects at draft time (that is, you believe Cox has the value of an average overall 10th pick when he was actually picked 25th). As I happen to think that guys (and gals) doing this as their full time job aren’t complete idiots, I defer to them over you.

Oh, and BA prospects who were 62th from 2000-2004:
2000: Pablo Ozuna
2001: Alex Cintron
2002: Brad Wilkerson
2003: Clint Everts
2004: Bobby Jenks

It seems that someone on here is overestimating just how valuable a player who was drafted 25th overall or was 62nd on BA’s prospect list is.

By: pitch and hit

pitch and hit — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:22:32 +0000

Pretty interesting discussion and perception of Cox.

The ML contract was a mistake, but the only way they could get him to sign for the amount agreed was to give him that option because of the pay out. The cardinals knew it would be tough due to his signability.

Zack is another example of what happens to a player when pushed through the system faster than necessary. He’s just 23 and been rushed. While I am not sure it is a good fit for him, maybe it will work out like it did for Solano who has done well in the Marlins system.

I am going to assume he will get called up in September to get in some experience, which is good.

Despite what is thought about him as a player, this is a real good clean kid and I wish him the best.

By: Uncle Randy

Uncle Randy — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:59:45 +0000

If you think about it, its basically like we drafted a pretty good, cheap, ML-ready right-handed reliever with our first round pick in 2009. Not a bad haul by any stretch.

By: IL and StL Fan

IL and StL Fan — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:40:50 +0000

You know, if Borat actually were in charge of those negotiations, I bet we could swing a pretty interesting deal…