The story of the night has to be Trevor Rosenthal’s first successful start in Memphis. He didn’t get the run support he needed for a win and the bullpen imploded but Rosenthal pitched well.
- Matt Adams was 1-for-2 with a pair of walks. Despite a tepid major league stint this year, Adams continues to destroy the PCL. He’s now hitting .340/.375/.347 with 17 home runs in just 235 at bats.
- Mark Hamilton was 2-for-4.
- Trevor Rosenthal had an outstanding first start for Memphis striking out 8 batters in 5 innings. He allowed just 3 hits and 1 run walking 1.
- The Redbirds simply could not escape the 7th inning. John Gaub allowed 5 runs recording just 1 out and Maikel Cleto allowed 2 runs trying to end the inning. Not a good outing for either pitcher.
- Kolten Wong was 1-for-5. He scored the walk off run on a single by Jamie Romak.
- Greg Garcia was 1-for-4 with a walk.
- Jermaine Curtis was 2-for-4.
- Jose Garcia was 2-for-4 with a home run.
- Travis Tartamella was 2-for-4.
- Carlos Martinez allowed 3 runs on 8 hits in his 5 inning stint. He walked 1 and struck out 4.
- Kevin Thomas and Deryk Hooker both pitched a pair of innings allowing 1 hit apiece. Thomas struck out 4 and Hooker struck out 2.
- Keith Butler picked up the save with a perfect 10th.
- Mike O’Neill was 2-for-4 with a walk.
- Chris Edmondson was 4-for-4 with a double.
- Ryan Sherriff muddled through control issues to pitch 6.1 innings. He walked 3 and allowed 5 hits for 3 ER. Sherriff was tagged for 2 home runs while striking out 4.
- Zack Russell allowed 3 runs (2 earned) to start the 9th inning — his second inning of work. He struck out 3 and walked 1 while allowing 3 hits.
- Nick Longmire was 2-for-4 with a double and a walk. Maybe the demotion back to QC will prove to be good for the former 5th round draft pick.
- Anthony Garcia was 1-for-3 with his 15th home run and a walk. If you come across a top 20 list that doesn’t have Garcia on it this offseason, that’s not a very good top 20 list.
- Dail Villanueva struck out 8 in a 6 inning stint. He allowed 2 runs on 6 hits and 1 walk.
- Dixon Llorens pitched 2 scoreless frames allowing 1 hit.
- Danny Miranda closed out the game with a 1-hit, 1-K 9th inning.
- Garrett Wittels (SS) was 1-for-4 with a home run.
- Danny Stienstra (1B) was 2-for-3 with a walk.
- Batavia struck out 11 times against just 1 walk in the game.
- Joe Cuda struggled through 4.1 allowing 8 hits and 6 runs. He struck out 4 and walked 1.
- Lee Stoppelman allowed 1 hit and 1 run while striking out 3 in 2 innings.
- Yunier Castillo struck out the side in the 9th. Keep an eye on Castillo. He’s not recorded 27 strikeouts and 5 walks in 23 innings. The Cardinals have come to appreciate the opportunity to work with former position players that don’t have any real muscle memory or bad mechanics with regards to pitching. Reworking Castillo, even if his success is confined to the low minors, is another feather in the cap of the organization as it improves this transitory process.
Johnson City’s game was cancelled.
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A. Garcia…..top 20 Cardinals?? or MLB???
I’m guessing he meant Cardinals, or possibly Mayo’s MLB.
If he hits Springfield well next year, then he is top 10.
Cardinals. No way he’s top 20 MLB yet.
Yet…Interesting phrase.
Considering he was already 20 and an 18th rounder….could he really end up being considered a top prospect?
Not knocking the kid, but just how the system works for some players.
Garcia is a system top 10 prospect and has a chance next year to crack some top 100 list.
Cardinals, I’m assuming. Garcia is in my cards top 10 though
Eventually we’re going to have to compile a Top 10 list of Cards pitchers who were converted from position players.
Bob Forsch is probably #1 all time. (Unless it turns out Bob Gibson was originally a shortstop. He was certainly athletic enough for it.)
Motte is #1 among current players. David Carpenter has pitched in the majors, so I guess he’s #2.
After that: Yunier Castillo, Sam Tuivalala, Robert Stock … ?
When’s the last time we had a go the other way — from pitching to hitting? Musial is the classic example. McGwire pitched at USC, but I doubt if anyone thought that’s where he’d end up as a pro. Can’t really think of anyone recently.
Tom McKinnon did it, not too well though.
Ankiel
Casey Mulligan was a convert.
Ankiel went from pitching to hitting.
Stan Musial also did that, I believe. So he might have to be number 1 on the pitcher-to-position-player list.
Ken Boyer went from pitching to hitting. He spent his first two years in the minors as a pitcher with a 13-9 record and an era around 4.00.
Did not know that about Boyer! Thank’s.
In the Springfield game Butler got the win not a save.
Is there any way Rosenthal makes the club out of ST next yea ala Lynn in 2011? interesting issues/decisions coming up for Mo:
1. Waino
2. Carp (assuming bill of health)
3. Garcia (assuming bill of health)
4. Lynn (at this point I cant see him being moved back out of rotation, he has too much value with #2/3 upside)
5. Westbrook (mutual option)
6. Lohse FA
7. Joe Kelly (holding his own, periphials arent that bad)
8. Shelby Miller
9. Trevor Rosenthal
*ala lynn in 2012
With so many uncertainties, we have to pick up Westbrooks option right?
Waino
Carp
Garcia
Lynn
Westbrook
Kelly
(I know that is 6 but something will probably happen)
I would doubt the Cardinals would pick up Westbrook’s 8.5 MM dollar option for 2013. 2013 rotation depth.
1.Wainwright
2.Carpenter (if healthy)
3.Garcia (if healthy)
4.Lynn
5.A Lohse
5.B Westbrook (if option is picked up)
5.C Kelly (lack of a plus secondary pitch concerns me)
Rosenthal (not fully developed but is polish)
Gast (ceiling is a LOOGY, I still like his stuff and upside as a 4th or 5th type starter
Miller (reports of ++ fastball velocity back up and has been using his curve-ball early and often in counts.
Dickson
Plenty of rotation depth in 2013.
I disagree.
It is actually cheap. For one, its a one 1 year deal. They owe him a $1 million buy out anyway, so its actully more like $7.5.
You can’t find 1 year deals on the open market. If you do, its either a questionable pitcher reestablishing value (have too many of those), or a pitcher going back on the maket next year (Edwin Jackson got $12 million).
I don’t see a scenario where they pass up Westbrook’s option. Price, length of commitment… it makes way too much sense.
I pass on the cost of mediocrity.
That is fine. But you seem confused by the definition of medicocrity.
Westbrooke is 30th in the league in ERA.
Another name for your list is Silfredo Garcia. He’s at Johnson City right now. Right-hander with awesome control. His K’s/BB is like 10/1.
Add me to the list of those who say we pick up Westbrook’s option. Just too many health concerns among experienced starters. We have pitchers capable of stepping in but do you really want to see our starting rotation out of spring training to be–
Lynn
Wainwright
Garcia
J. Kelly
Rosenthal
—————–
Shelby Miller
The Carpenter and J. Garcia health concerns dictate we pick up Westbrook’s option as an innings eater insurance. Rosenthal is likely to get some MLB in 2013 even if we bring back Westbrook.
Count me among the surprised if Carpenter comes back next season at all, much less be effective. Nothing but a gut feeling, but I think he’s done.
Agree. But I also said that twice before.
One think I learned. Never count on our count out Carpenter.
I also agree, but age has a habit of making the odds of counting him out a bit higher. Like I said, it’s just a gut feeling.
Ryan Sheriff is an intriguing pitching prospect another southpaw to keep an eye on. 12 starts, 76 IP, 3.06 ERA, 3.40 FIP, 15 BB/ 41 K, 48.2 Groundball rate has held a .232 BABIP and a very impressive 0.98 WHIP. Sherriff has a funky delivery and doesn’t have overpowering type stuff but knows how to get hitters out he’s showed very good control 1.17 BB/9 4.9% walk rate.
My basis on putting him in the top ten is somewhat comparing him to Oscar Tavares. Both really young outfielders for quad cities but one of the top hitters in the league. Most people had Oscar ranked anywhere from 3-5 before this season, so I think Garcia in the top ten sounds about right.
Anthony Garcia continues to make adjustments in his approach now has 15 HR this season is slugging .521 and ISOing .238 impressive for a 20 year old in his first season out of the Appy League. Garcia just needs to show more plate discipline and draw more walks based on his low walk rate.
Sorry if I missed it, but who was called up to AAA to take the spot Cox had after his trade?
Something that would be helpful to those of us that don’t follow the minors as intently as others, would be to add any major promotions/demotions to the top of the Daily Farm Report. I know some of them get mentioned, but it seems like I miss a lot of them. Just a suggestion. :)
Stanley…..I believe Trevor Rosenthal went from STL to Memphis filling Cox’s roster spot.
I think this is right, but then another spot got created when Robinson came up to take Berkman’s spot on the 25-man. As far as I can tell, that slot on the Memphis roster hasn’t been filled yet.
I second Stanley’s suggestion in principle, but this is actually rather hard to do. Minor-league teams are not always as punctual as major-league ones about getting news releases out regarding roster moves.
Assuming everyone is healthy…this is what I expect 2013
1. Adam Wainwright
2. Chris Carpenter
3. Jaime Garcia
4. Lance Lynn
5. Competition in Spring Training between Joe Kelly, Trevor Rosenthal and Shelby Miller, with Rosenthal winning.
2014
1. Adam Wainwright
2. Jaime Garcia
3. Lance Lynn
4. Trevor Rosenthal
5. Shelby Miller
As good as Lohse and Westbrook have been…That’s almost 19 million between the two of them. There is a push/need to develop young pitchers from within, like Lance Lynn. Look at Lynn. He is going to be a 200 inning guy, that is cost controlled with dominant stuff.
This team is building throught the draft and resigning their developed guys.
The team of the future (2014)
1. Adam Wainwright (Big Money)
2. Jaime Garcia (Decent Contract..incentives set in)
3. Lance Lynn (Arbitration)
4. Trevor Rosenthal (Cost Controlled)
5. Shelby Miller (Cost Controlled)
7th inning role – Joe Kelly
Setup-Boggs
Closer-Carlos Martinez (sorry guys…not a starter. Would be LIGHTS out closer though).
1. Kolten Wong – 2B (Cost Controlled)
2. Oscar Tavares – CF (Cost Controlled)
3. Matt Holiday – LF (Big Money)
4. Allen Craig – RF (Arbitration)
5. David Freese – 3B (Arbitration)
6. Yadier Molina – C (Big Money)
7. Matt Adams – 1B (Cost Controlled)
8. Ryan Jackson – SS
Wainwright will cost 18-22 million per year soon. The future of this offense includes Wong, Taveras and Adams.
At some point, the rubber meets the road…You either have to deal your top prospects or give them some run. I can see the Cardinals resigning Wainwright and giving big money to a Short Stop. With pay increases toWainwright, Garcia, Lynn, Freese and Craig over the next few years…you have to think, they will welcome the young talent to supplement the big league club.
A few points:
1. “everyone is healthy” is a big assumption for our SP in 2013, IMHO. Westbrook at $8.5M looks like a prudent move.
2. I don’t think Ryan Jackson is the solution at SS but think Greg Garcia will do well enough that the Cards won’t need to spend big money there (not to mention that there isn’t likely too be much to be had in the FA market if you’re looking for an SS that is significantly above replacement-level in 2014).
3. I can easily see MCarp still being a better hitter than Matt Adams in 2014. Then again, he could have the “play all corners” role that Craig had in 2011 (and Pujols had his first 2 years).
This means a ton of money to spend in 2014 (No Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Lohse, Westbrook, and I hate to say it, but probably no Wainwright either). That’s a ton of money to spend. Getting at least 1 top-of-the-rotation ace would be the biggest priority with that 60M+. Granted, Craig, Freese, Lynn, Boggs, and Motte will see arbitration money, but even after all that + getting a decent backup catcher & plus-defense CF for defensive replacement/pinch-runner purposes, there would still be money left over for a Westbrook/Lohse (and possibly even Edwin Jackson)-caliber starter.
I think you are pretty much right on here. You might be selling Kelly a little short though.
I can see the Cards bringing back Westbrook for one year. Given I would expect Lohse to want a three year deal, I think the Cards would have to pass there.
That’s a pretty solid rotation – even with the youngsters in 2014.
You and I both know there is no way in hell we’re going to have a roster with that many home grown kids. It just doesn’t happen. Somebody is going to get hurt, traded, or simply not develop. You can’t just plug in the system’s best players at each position, and call it a day.
Has the Carlos Martinez can’t start movement ever been grounded in anything beyond height?
Yes! By the people who said Pedro Martinez would never amount to anything.
It’s not just his height, it is also his weight. Both are overstated in his profile based on eyewitness reports. He can build up, time isn’t out on that, but I think the best guess I have heard is that he is 5’10″ and 160 lbs. Technically, nothing says he can’t be a starter, but he would be an anomally if he does. I have also read accounts of him as a max pitcher – his frame just isn’t likely to withstand that IMO. He probably has to back down his velocity or be a reliever.
I hate to concede that’s a legitimate argument, but history only lies if the facts are wrong.
Nope. I’m likewise dubious that the vast majority of people who comment about his mechanics have either seen him pitch or know anything about pitching.
This whole starting rotation thing is as clear as mud. Carpenter is the huge question mark that messes up everything. Does he return or not? Does he try spring training and retire? Does he start the season and get hurt again? Does he win come back player of the year? See….clear as mud. So the question becomes do you bring back Westbrook as insurance? That’s an expensive long-man to have out of the bullpen.
The guaranteed starters are of course: Waino, Garcia, Lynn. After that it’s a combo of Carpenter, Kelly & Rosenthal. Let’s throw a wrench into that too; apparently Lohse would like to return….would he do it at a discount considering his age? What if Shelby blows ‘em away in spring training? Or maybe Gast shows he can be more then capable at # 5.
And then you make it totally opaque by bringing up 2014. Geez, now you can add in Carlos Martinez, Jordan Swagerty, Seth Maness, Mike Wacha, Ty Jenkins, Tyler Lyons, Kevin Seigrist, Ryan Sheriff……maybe long shots Seth Blair, Ben Freeman, Boone Whiting, Scott Gorgen, Richard Castillo, Scott McGregor or Sam Gaviglio. Okay, yes I know, now I’m getting carried away or am I???
Or maybe we should just trade Jenkins, Martinez and Lyons to Philly for Roy Halliday. Reunite the best buds so our rotation becomes Doc, Carp, Waino, Jaime & Lance…..with Motte, Boggs, Rosenthal, Kelly, Gast, Browning/Freeman and Salas/Sanchez in the pen for 2013. Doesn’t that clear things up?!
Based on Miller’s performance this year, I would be surprised if he makes the Club out of ST – even if he pitches well. He won’t get enough innings in ST to allow him to “blow them away”. For example, Rosenthal pitched extremely well in ST, I think his ST innings were 7.1.
We do have an embarassment of riches (or could have) as you outline in Paragraph 3. I think Ty Jenkins is further out than 2014. I don’t see Siegrist as a SP. And your “longshots” are indeed that. Some of these guys are going to have to be traded and reasonably soon, or we are going to lose them to simple free agency.
Wileyvet.. I feel like the point of that post was just to name all the pitchers in our minor league system, kinda jumbled not sure what your point was. I don’t understand how people thin Martinez has no chance to start, all he has done so far is show he Is compeltly capable of doing do and in AA.. Makes Absolutly no sense for people to say he is destined for the BP already
CJ, the theory with smaller pitchers is that they are weaker and therefore more prone to injury. It really is kind of based on truisms. That’s why you see teams (including ours) trying to draft horses (6’5″, 220lbs) for starters. If you noticed this past draft, maybe the best pitcher available was Michael Stroman, however, he went lower in the draft to the Blue Jays because he is only 5’9″. The majority of scouts concede he has the best stuff of any pitcher in the draft. Four quality pitches at that if I recall. Some people might call this discrimination, but really it’s hedging your bets because little guys are longshots unfortunately.
And by the way, I wasn’t one of the people who said Martinez couldn’t start.
My point was not to list all the pitchers in the system. If it were, I missed about 150 of them. It was to highlight the fact that our system actually has some quality arms coming up who will compete for spots on the team in the next few years.