Comments on: Daily Farm Report – 8/3/12

By: wileyvet

wileyvet — Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:22:41 +0000

I hate to concede that’s a legitimate argument, but history only lies if the facts are wrong.

By: wileyvet

wileyvet — Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:20:07 +0000

CJ, the theory with smaller pitchers is that they are weaker and therefore more prone to injury. It really is kind of based on truisms. That’s why you see teams (including ours) trying to draft horses (6’5″, 220lbs) for starters. If you noticed this past draft, maybe the best pitcher available was Michael Stroman, however, he went lower in the draft to the Blue Jays because he is only 5’9″. The majority of scouts concede he has the best stuff of any pitcher in the draft. Four quality pitches at that if I recall. Some people might call this discrimination, but really it’s hedging your bets because little guys are longshots unfortunately.

And by the way, I wasn’t one of the people who said Martinez couldn’t start.

My point was not to list all the pitchers in the system. If it were, I missed about 150 of them. It was to highlight the fact that our system actually has some quality arms coming up who will compete for spots on the team in the next few years.

By: RCHIII

RCHIII — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 15:21:18 +0000

I also agree, but age has a habit of making the odds of counting him out a bit higher. Like I said, it’s just a gut feeling.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:48:49 +0000

Agree. But I also said that twice before.

One think I learned. Never count on our count out Carpenter.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:47:54 +0000

That is fine. But you seem confused by the definition of medicocrity.

Westbrooke is 30th in the league in ERA.

By: bc

bc — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:27:17 +0000

Nope. I’m likewise dubious that the vast majority of people who comment about his mechanics have either seen him pitch or know anything about pitching.

By: Stanley1

Stanley1 — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:15:37 +0000

You and I both know there is no way in hell we’re going to have a roster with that many home grown kids. It just doesn’t happen. Somebody is going to get hurt, traded, or simply not develop. You can’t just plug in the system’s best players at each position, and call it a day.

By: RCHIII

RCHIII — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:06:28 +0000

Based on Miller’s performance this year, I would be surprised if he makes the Club out of ST – even if he pitches well. He won’t get enough innings in ST to allow him to “blow them away”. For example, Rosenthal pitched extremely well in ST, I think his ST innings were 7.1.

We do have an embarassment of riches (or could have) as you outline in Paragraph 3. I think Ty Jenkins is further out than 2014. I don’t see Siegrist as a SP. And your “longshots” are indeed that. Some of these guys are going to have to be traded and reasonably soon, or we are going to lose them to simple free agency.

By: RCHIII

RCHIII — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:57:27 +0000

I think you are pretty much right on here. You might be selling Kelly a little short though.

I can see the Cards bringing back Westbrook for one year. Given I would expect Lohse to want a three year deal, I think the Cards would have to pass there.

That’s a pretty solid rotation – even with the youngsters in 2014.

By: RCHIII

RCHIII — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:47:47 +0000

It’s not just his height, it is also his weight. Both are overstated in his profile based on eyewitness reports. He can build up, time isn’t out on that, but I think the best guess I have heard is that he is 5’10″ and 160 lbs. Technically, nothing says he can’t be a starter, but he would be an anomally if he does. I have also read accounts of him as a max pitcher – his frame just isn’t likely to withstand that IMO. He probably has to back down his velocity or be a reliever.