Comments on: Daily Farm Report – 8/6/12

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:41:36 +0000

That is not how drafts work.

Catchers and SS are just not that easy to find.

And there is no such thing as overkill.

Always taking the best player is route to go. Taking a weaker hitter that is headed for a position change is not usually a smart move.

By: wileyvet

wileyvet — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 05:52:14 +0000

Waste as in drafting to a position of strength, when they could have chosen a SS or a Catcher for the distant future. I’m not saying Ramsey, himself, was the waste. Let me clarify that view.

Jon Jay is a more then adequate CF in my book, but he’ll be (in all likelihood) replaced by our stud-prospect Tavares. Not to mention the year before we drafted Tilson and McIlroy to be our CF’s of the future. Drafting Ramsey was overkill. There is no place to put him.

By: Hugecardsfan

Hugecardsfan — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:56:52 +0000

Re: “As well, we are past the “super two” status date, so calling him up now wouldn’t elevate his arbitration clock any faster than calling him up in September.”

This is true if we plan to use start him in early in 2013. But any play in 2012 will push back the super two “status date” in 2013. Would that be in our best interest in the event Jay is hurt next year?

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:21:19 +0000

Over the last month (30 days).

You see, that includes that pesky August numbers where he is hitting .500 and ops 1.167.

And that terrible month of July…Jay was still reaching base at a .348 clip.

By: Fleabottom

Fleabottom — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:54:49 +0000

Actually, last month (The month of July) Jon Jay had an OPS of .655. Not sure where you are getting that he had an .750 OPS last month.

As well, Jon Jay has historically LOW ISOs. The guy doesn’t hit for any power. This year he has a total of 14 extra base hits.

As I said above, for major league minimum, I like Jay. But OT is a once in a lifetime type of hitter. He isn’t a flash in the pan or a temporarily “hot prospect”. Last year he broke a multi-decade year old record for BA in A ball, and this year he is leading AA OPS.

As well, we are past the “super two” status date, so calling him up now wouldn’t elevate his arbitration clock any faster than calling him up in September.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:17:56 +0000

or the .750 OPS like he has the lat month. Or the .842 like the last week.

Jon Jay has a 2 year track record of major league success. But your right, we should get rid of him after 2 bad months when he had a shoulder issue because we have a hot prospect that has a very small chance at being better right now.

By: Fleabottom

Fleabottom — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:07:45 +0000

Yeah, and Jon Jay could continue to put up an OPS in the .600s like he did in May, June and July.

By: zuke354

zuke354 — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:46:15 +0000

I don’t think he is blocking OT. At least not yet.

But right now, the major league team is the priority. And Chambers is next on the list for call ups, so he should be getting the most time in center.

I think that changes next year though.

By: jjray

jjray — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:54:04 +0000

Taveras is not going to be called up and sit. He needs to play everyday. Adams shouldn’t either. Craig needs to play everyday. You have a point about Beltran needing rest but you don’t put Taveras on the roster thinking he might steal some PT in right field from Beltran.

So, you have five players for three positions in 2013: Jay, Taveras, Beltran, Craig, Adams. For 2013, Taveras can stay in AAA and come up if someone gets hurt. Same for Adams. Carlos leaves after 2013 but still four players for three positions. But really you have to account for Matt Carpenter as well, who has gotten significant playing time at 1B. So it is really 4 1/2 or 4 1/3 players for 3 positions. If Taveras makes the 25 roster out of ST in 2014, he should be the start and player there every day. He’s that good in my opinion. He’s the best outfield prospect we have developed since … ? JD Drew?

I think Adams ends up with the short end of the stick under this senario and it will be a tough decision on whether to trade him (he’ll have significant trade value if keeps mashing at AAA) or let him sit on the bench in STL. The only way to keep Adams and get him more playing time is to play Craig more in the OF and not play M. Carp at 1B (leaving those AB’s to Adams). Tough choice in my view as I really like Adams as a prospect.

By: jjray

jjray — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:42:50 +0000

I feel for Adron. He would be a solid 4th outfielder on many teams but he has Jay ahead and Oscar below. The fact that the starting CF’er in STL bats left handed gives Robinson something of an edge to be the bench CF’er. Adron wouldn’t bring back anything significant on his own but I was hoping we would have packaged him with spare parts like Cox (already gone) to get something useful back in return. Edward Mujica has looked fine in short time with the Cards but his numbers from 2012 prior to landing in our lap were underwhelming. I was hoping we would package a bunch of our lower level prospects together to get back a better setup guy than Mjuica. That trade looks to be working so far so I’ll stop complaining right here. But the point is that Chambers should never in any way block the advancement of Taveras. I think the organization wants him to play in the AA playoffs but if they think he needs to be challenged in AAA this season then promote him. Taveras gets all the playing time in CF at AAA when he is promoted and the other guys just get whatever playing time they can on the corners.